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[bg_turk]

They are immigrants who have come to Cyprus to search for new economic opportunities. None of them has been forced to come there, they have arrived with their own free will in accordance with the laws and regulations of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

BG,

I also agree that this issue has to be agreed in a humanitarian way. I believe Greek Cyriots also agree on this, because from the proposals that were put forward by the GC leaders, I understand that they just want to reduce the number of settlers/immigrants that will stay.

Reaching to a solution is vital for the Turkish Cypriot community, so we cannot demand that all of them stay in Cyprus after a solution, knowing that this can prevent a solution. A solution is also better for settlers/immigrants because they have realized what the situation in Cyprus is after the checkpoints were opened. They live in great uncertainty. Many accept to go back to Turkey. Since it was Turkey that brought these people here, then Turkey should accept the responsibility. Turkey should build housing and relocate the remaining settlers/immigrants from GC property. Turkey again should convince and take care of the ones that will have to go.

I applaud your ability to comporomise, but I am afraid Piratis fails to appreciate it. He will continue to demand that ALL settlers must go. I never said that all immigrants or settlers should be forced to stay, but those that have now developed very strong links to Cyprus such as being married to Cypriots or being born in Cyprus, and those who have arrived in Cyprus in good faith to search for a better life should be given the choice to stay.

I am surprised you do not feel any indignation at the way Piratis denigrates the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Why is it that the entirely greek controlled roc can accept settlers and immigrants, and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus cannot do that? Do you agree with the evaluation of Piratis on the issue that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is illegal?

What about the Brittish settlers, will they be deported after a solution too?

[bg_turk]

bg_turk, they are not immigrants, and we both know that

above all, as sadik said they are humans. a number of them will stay.some of them will have to leave as well.

What I am asking Cypezokyli, is which one will have to leave?

Will those Cypriots who are born on Cyprus be forced to leave their whomeland because their parents are immigrants? Under what justification? Would that not ammount to racism and discrimination?

[Sotos]

soto, give me an example of a fair negotiation so i know what you are talking about.

Negotiations that are not based on force. Compatriots that sit to discuss of what is better for our country. Not one side to want what is better for themselves only and to use force to get it.

[cypezokyli]

bg_turk, not all settlers will go, and piratis knows that. there are already children of tc and settlers that have acquired a cypriot i.d.

in general, those who stay are
those married with tcs,
those born in cyprus
those that are hier more than a certain number of years (that can be 7 or 10, anywhere that a line can be drown)

the rest have to return. or better, paid to return.

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

Sadik
Lala, I completely agree with this, and after saying this, I hope you will start by changing your signature that says "Cyprus is Turkish and it will stay that way."

I respect your views but I will not change it. Currently Turkish Cyprus is my home nation, I support my people and their struggle, right now no Greek Cypriot is putting anything to the table that would make me accept that we should re-unify, I'm just surrounded by Pirastis types who think its just their Island and there's no room for me.

Aslong as Trnc continues to have a Democratically elected parliment, our situations keeps improving with more and more nations lifting embargo's and our Army keeps us safe from any repeat Greek Junta up-rising and EOKA attacks I will support where I am from.

Untill Greek Cypriot Polliticians put forward a better scenario, stop comitting huge in-justice againt us and accept that if there is to be a United Cyprus, Turkish rights and wants will have to be adressed and stop being called unaccpetable my Signature will remain.

[sadik]

I applaud your ability to comporomise, but I am afraid Piratis fails to appreciate it. He will continue to demand that ALL settlers must go. I never said that all immigrants or settlers should be forced to stay, but those that have now developed very strong links to Cyprus such as being married to Cypriots or being born in Cyprus, and those who have arrived in Cyprus in good faith to search for a better life should be given the choice to stay.

BG, we cannot base our positions on what one person says. We need to look at the whole picture. Christofias, in his statements, said that they cannot accept an unlimited number of people staying, but they could accept a certain number of people, such as 30000. And also in the proposals that Papadopoulos reportedly submitted to the UN, a similar position is being taken. What matters for us is the official GC position, and that position is that a certain number of people can stay. So the issue ,clearly, is negotiable.

There are ways we can handle this issue without making another humanitarian crisis and in an acceptable way. Some people, such as the persons who were born in Cyprus and/or have heen in Cyprus for a very long time can get citizenships in the unified RoC. Some people, such as the parents of the above group of people can get residency with voting rights only at the local level. Some people, can be encouraged by Turkey to leave by paying a compensation. Illegal workers from Turkey, who are already considered illegal even by the standards of the TRNC, and
those that don't fall within the criteria that will be defined will obviously have to leave.

The exact criteria and numbers will be defined in the agreement, so mine are just suggestions. I believe this issue is actually one of the easier ones in the whole Cyprus problem.

I am surprised you do not feel any indignation at the way Piratis denigrates the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Why is it that the entirely greek controlled roc can accept settlers and immigrants, and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus cannot do that? Do you agree with the evaluation of Piratis on the issue that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is illegal?

The declaration of the TRNC has served to the interests of one and only one person, by the name of Denktas, who guaranteed to be elected as the president for a third term. This was not allowed in the constitution of our previous administration named as the Cyprus Turkish Federated State. Declaration of the TRNC, brought the ambargos and the international isolation upon us. We also moved away from a solution and made the property issue a complete mess by giving out title deeds on someone elses propery. For me, the interests of my community comes FIRST. Declaration of the TRNC has not done us any good. It was a big mistake and it's a serious liability for our community. However, here we are. Its currently on our lap. It's the only thing that we, TCs, are at least partly controlling. It exists with all its institutions in a de-facto manner. And it's extremly difficult to "undeclare" it without a solution.

What about the Brittish settlers, will they be deported after a solution too?

They are in a slightly different position. First of all they have not been granted citizenship, so they are not affecting the political landscape in the TC community. Secondly, as EU citizens, they already have the right to live in Cyprus. However, if they are holding GC property, the status of the property that they currently hold will be subject to the provisions of an agreement.

[Sotos]

Are there more sadiks or Lala_Mustafa_Pashas among Turkish Cypriots?

[Leonidas]

After reading this post all I can say is.

Pali me hronia ke kerous, pali dika mas thane. 1453 was the year. !!!!!

WAKE up Cypriots. Greek AND TURKS.

[sadik]

Are there more sadiks or Lala_Mustafa_Pashas among Turkish Cypriots?

What is it that you don't like above Sotos. It would be more helpful if you gave more details...

[Sotos]

I think you didn't get my question. I asked if most Turkish Cypriots are like you or if they are like Lala.