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[Maximus]

this is like saying,

I can record myself commuting "a crime" but because someone else uploads it for everyone to see, you cant prosecute me.

(despite the youtuber, not having done anything wrong anyway.)

[Get Real!]

this is like saying,

I can record myself commuting "a crime" but because someone else uploads it for everyone to see, you cant prosecute me.

(despite the youtuber, not having done anything wrong anyway.)

It’s like I said... in the DIGITAL world the only way to get a conviction is through irrefutable evidence in the form of Internet activity logs which PINPOINT to a specific IP address logging into some account at a specific time and date and then uploading or downloading or whatever the illegal activity is supposed to be.

That’s how it works in a modern court of law of the West... but I have no idea if that is how things are done in Turkey!

[Maximus]

And there was me thinking you found somebody who showed the figures to be false and have been arrested. So they interviewed a few people and publicised their interview. Here is what one Youtuber said about the matter. “We are journalists trying to make the voices of the people on the street heard in the palaces,” Mehmet Oyuncu, one of the three journalists, wrote in a tweet. “Every day, they try to intimidate us with violent provocateurs, detentions and arrests, but we have not taken a step back.”
Stop wasting your fuckin time and concentrate the real crime of children being killed and declared as terrorist, civilians being killed and pulled behind a Jeep like a dead dog declaring them as terrorists. Concentrate on how much help these criminal are getting from America ffs.

That is right Brodo, I completely agree with you.

Turkey is a rogue state.

difference, is when its happening to your own you expect other people to do something about it. When Turkey does it to others, you dont give a hoot.

[Maximus]

this is like saying,

I can record myself commuting "a crime" but because someone else uploads it for everyone to see, you cant prosecute me.

(despite the youtuber, not having done anything wrong anyway.)

It’s like I said... in the DIGITAL world the only way to get a conviction is through irrefutable evidence in the form of Internet activity logs which PINPOINT to a specific IP address logging into some account at a specific time and date and then uploading or downloading or whatever the illegal activity is supposed to be.

That’s how it works in a modern court of law of the West... but I have no idea if that is how things are done in Turkey!

Not its not, the video recording of the crime is sufficient evidence to prosecute the perpetrator of the crime,

It doesnt matter who recorded it, uploaded it, from where or what device.

I can assure you of that.

[Get Real!]

this is like saying,

I can record myself commuting "a crime" but because someone else uploads it for everyone to see, you cant prosecute me.

(despite the youtuber, not having done anything wrong anyway.)

It’s like I said... in the DIGITAL world the only way to get a conviction is through irrefutable evidence in the form of Internet activity logs which PINPOINT to a specific IP address logging into some account at a specific time and date and then uploading or downloading or whatever the illegal activity is supposed to be.

That’s how it works in a modern court of law of the West... but I have no idea if that is how things are done in Turkey!

Not its not, the video recording of the crime is sufficient evidence, I can assure you of that.

One can argue that recording a video alone is for practice or some other personal use!

There’s a big difference between that and making it public.

Overall, using a private browser of some sort can help you HEAPS if you have a "risky" online lifestyle.

[Maximus]

what the hell are you talking about man?

if you record me committing a crime on your property and you upload it, are you saying I cant be prosecuted because it didnt come from my IP address?

[Get Real!]

what the hell are you talking about man?

if you record me committing a crime on your property and upload it, are you saying I cant be prosecuted?

You've just moved all the goalposts by a mile!

Sticking to the original indictment... one of creating anti-State videos and making them publicly available...

one could argue that the accused is a student practicing to become a journalist but didn't actually upload them himself!

[Get Real!]

Btw, you’d never make a good lawyer Maximus, and that’s an understatement!

[Maximus]

what the hell are you talking about man?

if you record me committing a crime on your property and upload it, are you saying I cant be prosecuted?

You've just moved all the goalposts by a mile!

Sticking to the original indictment... one of creating anti-State videos and making them publicly available...

one could argue that the accused is a student practicing to become a journalist but didn't actually upload them himself!

No I have not you wannabe referee,

you are trying to argue that your classic browser provides immunity to a criminal that has been recorded committing a crime, because it hides the location of where the evidence was uploaded to the internet from.

Im telling you it doesn't matter where the video evidence was uploaded from. The perpetrator of the crime can be prosecuted, with the video recording being sufficient evidence to convict them.

[Get Real!]

what the hell are you talking about man?

if you record me committing a crime on your property and upload it, are you saying I cant be prosecuted?

You've just moved all the goalposts by a mile!

Sticking to the original indictment... one of creating anti-State videos and making them publicly available...

one could argue that the accused is a student practicing to become a journalist but didn't actually upload them himself!

No I have not you wannabe referee,

you are trying to argue that your classic browser provides immunity to a criminal that has been recorded committing a crime, because it hides the location of where the evidence was uploaded to the internet from.

Im telling you it doesn't matter where the video evidence was uploaded from. The perpetrator of the crime can be prosecuted, with the video recording being sufficient evidence to convict them.

Sorry mate but you are wrong.

I used to get hired by a lawyer; I think during 2007...2009, with the task of going over forensics supplied by the police; generated by such software and used as evidence in prosecuting, and my job was to find holes in their evidence that the lawyer could then use in his defense.

So I *do* have some experience in this department and I assure you that without Internet log activity there cannot be any convictions in modern countries (as far as Internet crimes are concerned)... but Turkey may of course do things differently.