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[Londonrake]

I suspect the vitriolic campaign against Trump, which has been going on since long before he first set foot in the White House, will ultimately have the same effect as the similar one against Brexit (by the same people) - and for the same reasons.

They simply don't seem capable of "Gettin' it".

Yep! The insufferables are Trump's best weapon.

Trump has got it in the bag.

Don't rush to misunderstand. I'm not a particular fan. Although, unlike a lot it seems, I always thought Obama was useless. Other than making stirring speeches that is. He was IMHO the quintessential "ditherer". The result being, other world leaders (no names) walked all over him. Knowing full well he was pretty much a pussycat when the chips were down. A much more dangerous man than Trump.

[Paphitis]

I suspect the vitriolic campaign against Trump, which has been going on since long before he first set foot in the White House, will ultimately have the same effect as the similar one against Brexit (by the same people) - and for the same reasons.

They simply don't seem capable of "Gettin' it".

Yep! The insufferables are Trump's best weapon.

Trump has got it in the bag.

Don't rush to misunderstand. I'm not a particular fan. Although, unlike a lot it seems, I always thought Obama was useless. Other than making stirring speeches that is. He was IMHO the quintessential "ditherer". The result being, other world leaders (no names) walked all over him. Knowing full well he was pretty much a pussycat when the chips were down. A much more dangerous man than Trump.

That's your decision to not be his fan or otherwise.

At least, you have never partaken in any of the vitriol and seem to have a balanced and reasoned view. Nothing wrong with that at all, even if you don't like Trump. You seem to have made your mind up on sound reasons and in an informed manner.

[erolz66]

I suspect the vitriolic campaign against Trump, which has been going on since long before he first set foot in the White House, will ultimately have the same effect as the similar one against Brexit (by the same people) - and for the same reasons.

They simply don't seem capable of "Gettin' it".

Did you see much vitriol aimed at say Jeremy Corbyn to use one example ? Or did you only see fair criticism ? Does or would fair criticism of Trump have a 'similar effect' and be self defeating ? Or is he simply beyond any criticism at all, that will not just make him more popular ?

[Get Real!]

Imagine millions of people lining up country-wide at polls to vote!

If they do go ahead with the November election I foresee the US sinking into a second and far greater wave of infections and death.

The November temperatures should also be perfect for the virus to flourish.

[Oceanside50]

It will be a huge blowout favoring the great Trump... I predict he gets over 55% of the popular vote and win at least three more states then 16

[Kikapu]

All those Trump supporters who are being directed by Trump in one form or the other to go to the streets to demand the lifting of lockdown have to be the biggest pussies ever, who cannot handle a little bit of inconvenience to their lives. It is obvious these losers have never been in any warlike conditions ever, to know what sacrificing comfort really means. With pussies like these crybabies, we could have never won wars WWI & WWII.

[Get Real!]

All those Trump supporters who are being directed by Trump in one form or the other to go to the streets to demand the lifting of lockdown have to be the biggest pussies ever, who cannot handle a little bit of inconvenience to their lives. It is obvious these losers have never been in any warlike conditions ever, to know what sacrificing comfort really means. With pussies like these crybabies, we could have never won wars WWI & WWII.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're funded by Trump to protest; manufacturing consent for the return to "normality".

[Kikapu]

All those Trump supporters who are being directed by Trump in one form or the other to go to the streets to demand the lifting of lockdown have to be the biggest pussies ever, who cannot handle a little bit of inconvenience to their lives. It is obvious these losers have never been in any warlike conditions ever, to know what sacrificing comfort really means. With pussies like these crybabies, we could have never won wars WWI & WWII.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're funded by Trump to protest; manufacturing consent for the return to "normality".

They are Trump’s red neck foot soldiers, illegal militias.

[Londonrake]

I suspect the vitriolic campaign against Trump, which has been going on since long before he first set foot in the White House, will ultimately have the same effect as the similar one against Brexit (by the same people) - and for the same reasons.

They simply don't seem capable of "Gettin' it".

Did you see much vitriol aimed at say Jeremy Corbyn to use one example ? Or did you only see fair criticism ? Does or would fair criticism of Trump have a 'similar effect' and be self defeating ? Or is he simply beyond any criticism at all, that will not just make him more popular ?

I suspect Trump, IMHO unfortunately, will win in a landslide, whatever comes out of the Coronavirus episode. He will win in part because of the trade mark, Liberal, sneering contempt of ordinary voters. People have had enough of it. Populism - which I personally believe is just a recipe for the ole disasters - is on the rise. Big time. Better get used to being in the petulant shadows and prepare for a much more fractious world. Care of the people "who know best".

Corbyn - RIP - is surely another thread? What I will say - and not sneeringly contemptuously - is that in my 50 years of being interested in UK politics I have never come across a contender who was less suited to any high office, let alone Prime Minister. The man was clearly a total disaster on legs, as reflected in Labour's worst election defeat in almost 100 years. Frankly - what more does it take to get the message across? Because, that sobering event doesn't really seemed to have changed anything in Labour's ranks. It seems a case of "We lost the election but won the argument".

Lordo knew what he was doing when he fell on his sword.

[erolz66]

I suspect the vitriolic campaign against Trump, which has been going on since long before he first set foot in the White House, will ultimately have the same effect as the similar one against Brexit (by the same people) - and for the same reasons.

They simply don't seem capable of "Gettin' it".

Did you see much vitriol aimed at say Jeremy Corbyn to use one example ? Or did you only see fair criticism ? Does or would fair criticism of Trump have a 'similar effect' and be self defeating ? Or is he simply beyond any criticism at all, that will not just make him more popular ?

I suspect Trump, IMHO unfortunately, will win in a landslide, whatever comes out of the Coronavirus episode. He will win in part because of the trade mark, Liberal, sneering contempt of ordinary voters. People have had enough of it. Populism - which I personally believe is just a recipe for the ole disasters - is on the rise. Big time. Better get used to being in the petulant shadows and prepare for a much more fractious world. Care of the people "who know best".

Whilst not wanting to put words in to your mouth, from where I am sitting all you, as someone I perceive to be 'of the right' politically, seem to be saying is the 'left' can not win politically in this current climate because of their 'sneering contempt' of ordinary people. Itself an expression that could be considered pretty vitriolic. To me , on the face of it, this seems more an express of 'desire' than of 'analysis'. For example what about Jacinda Ardern the labour PM of NZ, who is facing elections later in the year. Do you think her 'liberal sneering contempt' of ordinary people will result in her losing this coming election ? It seems to me, it is well within the bounds of possibility that in fact she will return to power for a 2nd term with a majority government even ?

- RIP - is surely another thread? What I will say - and not sneeringly contemptuously - is that in my 50 years of being interested in UK politics I have never come across a contender who was less suited to any high office, let alone Prime Minister. The man was clearly a total disaster on legs, as reflected in Labour's worst election defeat in almost 100 years. Frankly - what more does it take to get the message across? Because, that sobering event doesn't really seemed to have changed anything in Labour's ranks. It seems a case of "We lost the election but won the argument".

My point was that what is self defeating 'vitriol'aimed at a given politician is a highly subjective matter and not something exclusive to one political camp or the other. a point that imo you nicely emphasise with the above