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[Paphitis]

look, no matter what you guys say, Trump is just doing what everyone thinks.

And if you think he is going to lose the election or that his days are numbered, then you are all dreaming.

Do you know how popular this rhetoric is in the US and Australia?

[Paphitis]

I guess you guys don't really understand how mainstream these views are. You choose to follow what you are all fed by the MSM.

[erolz66]

look, no matter what you guys say, Trump is just doing what everyone thinks.

Charlatans here on forums like these and generally often claim that they know what 'everyone' thinks or some variants. They rarely do in my experience.

Do you know how popular this rhetoric is in the US and Australia?

You said it. It is his rhetoric that is popular. Not what he does or has done or not done but what he says and how he says it, even when it is blatant lies or distortions or the opposite of what he said days before.

Compare and contrast

https://www.ft.com/content/d26564b4-80b ... 0830b3b99a

Ill claim 'paywall' and post the whole article here as well

Arise Saint Jacinda, a leader for our troubled times

New Zealand’s prime minister offers four important lessons in leadership by Pilta Clark

Thursday did not start well for Matt Hancock. Britain’s 41-year-old health secretary began a morning television interview looking like a glummer version of the chipper, Cheshire-born economist he was before he became an MP 10 years ago. It got worse as he was pounded for a string of government blunders over coronavirus testing and equipment failures. Then came a question that went something like this: In New Zealand, where they have had just two Covid-19 deaths per million people (in the UK it’s more than 200), prime minister Jacinda Ardern has just said she and her ministers would take a 20 per cent pay cut to show solidarity with those struggling financially because of the outbreak. Will you?

“Well I’m not proposing to do that,” said Mr Hancock. “What I am proposing to do is work every hour that there is.” Asked the same question, Australia’s prime minister, Scott Morrison, said firmly: “It’s not something that’s being considered.”

The first thing I thought about this was that it was unsurprising. Ms Ardern has been a model of compassionate leadership in this crisis. The second thing I thought was the leaders she is showing up must be starting to loathe her. It’s not that she is perfect. Before the outbreak she was in trouble for failing to deliver on a slew of housing, poverty and tax plans, having once declared 2019 would be her government’s year of “delivery”.

She is also in charge of a relatively remote and uncrowded country that the virus took longer to reach. And it is too early to be certain of her ultimate success. But astute Londoners stranded in New Zealand during the crisis, and others who have recently moved there, confirm there are at least four important Ardern leadership lessons that deserve attention, starting with her under-appreciated command of detail.

One day during the 2017 general election campaign that eventually resulted in her prime ministership, she toured a factory that made fibreglass insulation known as pink batts.

As a New Zealand Herald journalist wrote at the time, when she was asked a few days later if she could remember what a batt was made of, she said it included recycled glass. What kind of glass? “Off-cuts of window glass.” What temperature is the molten glass when heated? “1,200 degrees.” And so on.

A mastery of minutiae may have helped Ms Ardern deliver a second lesson in the importance of co-ordination, which is said to be very evident within her government.

Contrast that with what happened to me last week as I tried to pin down why the UK’s Covid-19 travel restrictions were so much looser than those in other countries. Public Health England suggested I try the Foreign Office. The Foreign Office said I should contact the Health department or the Home Office. The Health department said I should contact the Foreign Office and the Home Office. The Home Office said I should contact the Cabinet Office. The Cabinet Office said I should contact the Foreign Office and the Health department.

Care for detail and co-ordination leads to a third factor: smart policies, like New Zealand's plan to fund wider pavements and cycle paths to help people stay further apart. Or the two dedicated education TV channels it has launched to help home schooling. Or the effort to send thousands of laptops and learn-from-home materials to students, while trying to boost their internet connections. It is even better if, while doing all this, you are honest enough to say there will be problems.

“This is a big complex project that is being undertaken at pace so we know it will take time to get it right,” the NZ education ministry says on its website. Compare this with other leaders’ repeated insistence that no mistakes have been made, a dangerous ploy at a time when public trust is vital.

Ms Ardern’s communication skills have already been praised in this column. Since then she has doubled down, confirming the Easter bunny was considered an essential worker. And when asked if she had contacted the New Zealand nurse Boris Johnson said had helped him survive Covid-19, Ms Ardern said she had tracked her down on Facebook and sent a message.

Yet the main point is not just that she is caring and outwardly normal. She is also clearly competent at a time when so many others are not.

[erolz66]

I guess you guys don't really understand how mainstream these views are.

Blaming the WHO for the state of cornovirus world wide is like blaming the UN for the state of Syria today.

You choose to follow what you are all fed by the MSM.

Where as you just ape everything and anything trump says. At least the MSM has some degree of plurality of views within it.

[Paphitis]

More evidence for the sycophants!

Chy-na put Wuhan into isolation from the rest of Chy-a on the 7th of January.

Yet it was still ok for flights to continue from Wuhan to the rest of the world.

Until the USA and Australia were the first countries to close their borders to Chy-na.

A move that was condemned by WHO, the woke media as being racist and anti Chy-na.

[erolz66]

Yet it was still ok for flights to continue from Wuhan to the rest of the world.

How would the US of got its citizens back to the US before or even AFTER it 'closed it's borders' if no flights out of wuhan or china were allowed ? Can you imagine the outcry then if US citizens in wuhan had been prevented by China from being able to return to the US ? Plonker. Trump allowed 40,000 plus people to go to the US from Wuhan AFTER he 'closed the borders to china' as you describe it.

Until the USA and Australia were the first countries to close their borders to Chy-na.

They were NOT the first countries to do so. Just saying a lie over and over does not make it any less of a lie. yes it might fool some people but that does not mean it is any more true.

A move that was condemned by WHO, the woke media as being racist and anti Chy-na.

It was a move that the WHO and others suggested alone would not protect America and that has so clearly proven to be the case. Compare with South Korea.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CAO1059

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/18/flights- ... ?ITO=squid

[erolz66]

Trump in good company ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cor ... 71336.html

[Paphitis]

Well according to our Prime Minister:

Australia's relationship with Chy-na is about to change for good.

Everything from our diplomatic relations, to investment and trade.

Australian PM just stated, Australia shares the very same concerns with US POTUS Donald J Trump.

[Londonrake]

I suspect the vitriolic campaign against Trump, which has been going on since long before he first set foot in the White House, will ultimately have the same effect as the similar one against Brexit (by the same people) - and for the same reasons.

They simply don't seem capable of "Gettin' it".

[Paphitis]

I suspect the vitriolic campaign against Trump, which has been going on since long before he first set foot in the White House, will ultimately have the same effect as the similar one against Brexit (by the same people) - and for the same reasons.

They simply don't seem capable of "Gettin' it".

Yep! The insufferables are Trump's best weapon.

Trump has got it in the bag.

The vitriolic campaign against Trump has been consistent since day 1 and Trump has come out on top every single time. Always 2 steps ahead.