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[erolz66]

But what is the suffering of these people in Turkey?

There is no problem with them remaining in Turkey.

Really Max ? Are you just going to keep hiding behind your finger here ?

In 2011 the ECHR judged that GREECE was not a country that respected the legal rights of asylum seekers. 9 years after this and given everything you have said about Turkey you are now going to argue that there can be no doubt that Turkey respects these people's rights to the full extend of the law as it is written ? In any case these people have a right to chose where they seek to claim asylum.

And just for the record, Turkey is not legally obliged to offer asylum to those outside of Europe. If you want to know why have a look here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_ ... f_Refugees

[Maximus]

You can seek asylum in any third country of choice BUT this does not mean that they are automatically granted asylum in that country of choice.

For instance, US law dictates that they dont have to accept asylum seekers to the US if they are already in a third party country other than the original country that they are fleeing from.

So refugee rights are not carte blanche rights to go wherever you want, whenever you want and no one can stop you. That is just a fallacy Erolz.

The refugees, if we are to call them all that have received their legal rights when they entered Turkey and it can stop there...if we are talking in legal terms.

[erolz66]

You can seek asylum in any third country of choice BUT this does not mean that they are automatically granted asylum in that country of choice.

I have never claimed it does mean that. It does mean they can chose where they seek asylum and the country where they seek asylum is legally obliged (if it is signatory) to treat them fairly whilst they fairly consider that application. That is the law.

For instance, US law dictates that they dont have to accept asylum seekers to the US if they are already in a third party country other than the original country that they are fleeing from.

Not if that other country itself does not respect their rights to seek asylum because the US can not just override is obligations under the international protocol it is a signatory too with domestic law.

So refugee rights are not carte blanche rights to go wherever you want, whenever you want. That is just a fallacy Erolz.

I have never said or argued that such rights are carte blanche. It is a fallacy to suggest I have said that.

The refugees, if we are to call them all that have received their legal rights when they entered Turkey and it can stop there...if we are talking in legal terms.

Still hiding behind your finger then max ? Firstly they can only receive their rights to asylum in Turkey if Turkey chooses to offer them such an opportunity. It is not legally obliged to do so because it retained the geographical restriction to people seeking asylum as a result of events in Europe when it signed the 67 protocol, as was it right and choice to do when it signed such. But that aside.

Do you think the north's leaderships since 74 till today has respected the rights of those GC and MC who remained in the north post 74 ? That they are all fine, suffer no persecution or discrimination ? That it can 'stop there' ? No of course you do not. Yet you will argue it is beyond any doubt that Turkey clearly fully respects the rights of those that seek asylum in Turkey when needed. That is what I call hiding behind your finger.

[Maximus]

Well, I dont get your point then.....

You are not making any valid point.

Its all lost in translation.

[Maximus]

The Turkish lira closed at 6.33 to the USD today.

its 66 cents away from 2018's crisis levels (TL 7).

This spike will surpase that rate by a big margin.

What with everything that is happening in Europe ; his mismanagement of fiscal policy and likely a dry tourism season;

I would give it two or three months and Erdogan will have another crisis on his hands. This one domestic.

The man is disaster incarnate and the Turkish electorate accomplices.

[Kikapu]

The Turkish lira closed at 6.33 to the USD today.

its 66 cents away from 2018's crisis levels (TL 7).

This spike will surpase that rate by a big margin.

What with everything that is happening in Europe ; his mismanagement of fiscal policy and likely a dry tourism season;

I would give it two or three months and Erdogan will have another crisis on his hands. This one domestic.

The man is disaster incarnate and the Turkish electorate accomplices.

Which is why he wants more money from the EU and this time to be directly deposited into the general funds account and not direct assistance to the refugees in Turkey.

The EU told him to take a hike!

[erolz66]

The Turkish lira closed at 6.33 to the USD today.

its 66 cents away from 2018's crisis levels (TL 7).

This spike will surpase that rate by a big margin.

What with everything that is happening in Europe ; his mismanagement of fiscal policy and likely a dry tourism season;

I would give it two or three months and Erdogan will have another crisis on his hands. This one domestic.

The man is disaster incarnate and the Turkish electorate accomplices.

But still good enough to allow you to believe that anyone seeking asylum there will be treated fairly and justly no doubt. how very convenient

[erolz66]

Well, I dont get your point then.....

You are not making any valid point.

Not quite the same thing are they ? For example I might be reading a book about say quantum physics and find myself unable to 'get the point' that is being made. My reaction to that is not 'well obviously the author must not be making a valid point because I do not get it'

I am always willing to take the time to try and explain better or clearer what I am trying to say. It does take two to tango however

[Maximus]

The Turkish lira closed at 6.33 to the USD today.

its 66 cents away from 2018's crisis levels (TL 7).

This spike will surpase that rate by a big margin.

What with everything that is happening in Europe ; his mismanagement of fiscal policy and likely a dry tourism season;

I would give it two or three months and Erdogan will have another crisis on his hands. This one domestic.

The man is disaster incarnate and the Turkish electorate accomplices.

But still good enough to allow you to believe that anyone seeking asylum there will be treated fairly and justly no doubt. how very convenient

Why wouldn't they be treated fairly and justly in Turkey?

[Maximus]

Well, I dont get your point then.....

You are not making any valid point.

Not quite the same thing are they ? For example I might be reading a book about say quantum physics and find myself unable to 'get the point' that is being made. My reaction to that is not 'well obviously the author must not be making a valid point because I do not get it'

I am always willing to take the time to try and explain better or clearer what I am trying to say. It does take two to tango however

Thats not a good example,

But since you are willing to take the time and try and explain it better, then I am willing to listen.

go on....