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Postby B25 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:37 am

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My nephew is a doctor in the General hospital in Ammochostos, he lives away from his family and has not had any contact with them for weeks for safety. Would he be doing this if he was treating flu patients??

Something doesn't add up.


No, he wouldn't be doing this if he was treating flu patients, because medical staff are routinely given vaccinations against influenza and no vaccinations exist for Covid-19.


Yes I notice that you pick and choose what to reply to. I asked a question also, Why are doctors and hospital staff treating COVID19 patients dying??

Since you are the one that keeps telling us it no issue its just a flu virus like any other.

And I truly wonder if you would actually spout all this BS if you lived in the US/UK/Italy/Spain where the infection rates and death rates are massive. You just don't know how good you have it here in Cyprus.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby B25 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:42 am

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erolz66 wrote:B25 do you know where you treated with hydroxychloroquine when in hospital with the virus ?

Its effectiveness is still something I would put in the 'not yet known' category but daily the data is mounting to get it out of that category and in to the category of 'we know it is not effective treatment' against the virus. Evidence from actual clinical trials but also evidence like

According to the progressive watchdog Media Matters, Fox News personalities and guests mentioned hydroxychloroquine nearly 300 times between 23 March and 6 April. The same group found hosts have stopped mentioning the drug in recent days, reporting that mentions dropped 77% over five recent days compared with the previous five-day period. Fox News only reported the latest study’s findings on its website.

A Politico review of White House briefings and cable news coverage found Trump hardly mention the drug last week, avoiding it entirely during briefings on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.


Still a nice run for 'Big Pharma' none the less , selling a drug in the 100's of millions if not billions of doses worldwide to treat something it probably does not treat. Where are the 'big pharma' conspiracy theorist on this on I wonder ?

(source for quotes https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... oronavirus)

By the way B25 - keep staying safe mate. In your position I would make no assumptions about immunity from having had it and recovered unfortunately :(

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/04/23/coro ... -positive/


I believe They did treat me with such. They gave me, and excuse the spelling a tablet called Plaquinene 200mg, I think it is the drug that Trump was touting.

They were also giving me IV fluids daily with something else added.

I read about the reinfection/reactivation and this is my point about the 'anti-bodies', Here they test you to achieve 2 consecutive negatives before they class you as recovered! In any case I am staying well clear of everyone. It's not until you have been through this that you realise the seriousness of it. Some people from the safety of their homes in a country taking all the necessary and correct measures have the audacity to belittle this as a flu like issue. Perhaps they would not be saying the same had they lived in the UK/US/Italy/Spain, or indeed if the contracted it.

My question to them is this: How manay doctors or hospital workers do you know that died from treating patiences with flu?

And why are they dying treating patients with COVID19?

My nephew is a doctor in the General hospital in Ammochostos, he lives away from his family and has not had any contact with them for weeks for safety. Would he be doing this if he was treating flu patients??

Something doesn't add up.


I perhaps should also of added, that I read a report from France and Brazil, where patients taking the hydroxychloroquine or derivative were showing heart problems such as arrhythmia. I wondered why they kept giving me an ECG almost every other day. They would look at the print out and leave the printout with me, like it didn't matter. At first I couldn't work it out but after reading the reports finally clicked. I am very happy with the way things are being dealt with here in Cyprus regarding the pandemic, and am happy to stat locked away until we get a real handle on it. But that's just me take on it.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:23 am

B25 wrote:
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My nephew is a doctor in the General hospital in Ammochostos, he lives away from his family and has not had any contact with them for weeks for safety. Would he be doing this if he was treating flu patients??

Something doesn't add up.


No, he wouldn't be doing this if he was treating flu patients, because medical staff are routinely given vaccinations against influenza and no vaccinations exist for Covid-19.


Yes I notice that you pick and choose what to reply to. I asked a question also, Why are doctors and hospital staff treating COVID19 patients dying??

Since you are the one that keeps telling us it no issue its just a flu virus like any other.

And I truly wonder if you would actually spout all this BS if you lived in the US/UK/Italy/Spain where the infection rates and death rates are massive. You just don't know how good you have it here in Cyprus.


People die of flu, too. It is a serious disease for the vulnerable.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:31 am

This is interesting...

Does nicotine protect from COVID-19? French scientists investigate


Nothing could rescue the Banter Era from the clutches of the coronavirus pandemic like the news that nicotine is the cure. In recent weeks, I have watched with mounting interest as evidence comes from different countries, all showing the same thing: smokers are significantly under-represented in COVID-19 wards.

It started when Konstantin Farsalinos spotted the trend in a succession of Chinese studies. Things got more interesting when the CDC found remarkably few smokers among COVID-19 cases in the USA. This was followed by a large study of over 4,000 cases in New York which showed that people with a history of tobacco use were 29% less likely to be hospitalised with the disease (the reduction in risk was even higher among current smokers).
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby B25 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:42 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
B25 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
B25 wrote:
My nephew is a doctor in the General hospital in Ammochostos, he lives away from his family and has not had any contact with them for weeks for safety. Would he be doing this if he was treating flu patients??

Something doesn't add up.


No, he wouldn't be doing this if he was treating flu patients, because medical staff are routinely given vaccinations against influenza and no vaccinations exist for Covid-19.


Yes I notice that you pick and choose what to reply to. I asked a question also, Why are doctors and hospital staff treating COVID19 patients dying??

Since you are the one that keeps telling us it no issue its just a flu virus like any other.

And I truly wonder if you would actually spout all this BS if you lived in the US/UK/Italy/Spain where the infection rates and death rates are massive. You just don't know how good you have it here in Cyprus.


People die of flu, too. It is a serious disease for the vulnerable.


Another evasion of the question and a straw man reply. Anyway I can see you're not going to give a straight answer because it blows your thesis out of the water. Just stay safe stay in and don't get infected.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:55 am

Actually, I must confess that I, too, was initially taken it by the message the media has stopped its normal function to pump out non-stop, but, then, looked around a bit and came across expert opinions that cast doubt on what the media was screaming at me. Perhaps indeed I have fallen victim to confirmation bias.
So far in this thread, I have provided links to views expressed either in interviews or articles by the following, all based on a rational, expert assessment of the scientific evidence in which these people are well versed, and all of which cast doubt on aspects of the narrative being promoted 24/7 by the media and the measures being enacted worldwide.

Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology, politician and former chairman of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. In 2009 he called for an inquiry into alleged conflicts of interest surrounding the EU response to the Swine Flu pandemic.

Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University, former Chief Public Health Officer for Manitoba province and Medical Director of the International Centre for Infectious Diseases.

Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences. He is director of the Stanford Prevention Research Center, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS).

Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry. He also worked as Associate Dean of the Tel Aviv University Medical School and during the 1980s presented the science-based television show Tatzpit.

Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy.

Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association.

Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist. He is professor of virology, and the director of the Institute of Virology and HIV Research, at Bonn University.

Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement, Assistance Publique-Hôpitaux de Marseille, conducting a peer-reviewed study on Coronavirus mortality for the government of France under the ‘Investments for the Future’ programme.

Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center.

Michael T. Osterholm is regents professor and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

Dr Peter Goetzsche is Professor of Clinical Research Design and Analysis at the University of Copenhagen and founder of the Cochrane Medical Collaboration. He has written several books on corruption in the field of medicine and the power of big pharmaceutical companies.

Dr. Sunetra Guptais a Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at the University of Oxford with an interest in infectious disease agents that are responsible for malaria, HIV, influenza and bacterial meningitis. She is a recipient of the Sahitya Akademi Award, the Scientific Medal by the Zoological Society of London and the Royal Society Rosalind Franklin Award for her scientific research.

Dr Karin Mölling is a German virologist whose research focused on retroviruses, particularly human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). She was a full professor and director of the Institute of Medical Virology at the University of Zurich from 1993 until her retirement in 2008 and received multiple honours and awards for her work.

Dr Anders Tegnell is a Swedish physician and civil servant who has been State Epidemiologist of the Public Health Agency of Sweden since 2013. Dr Tegnell graduated from medical school in 1985, specialising in infectious disease. He later obtained a PhD in Medical Science from Linköping University in 2003 and an MSc in 2004.

Dr Pablo Goldschmidt is an Argentine-French virologist specializing in tropical diseases, and Professor of Molecular Pharmacology at the Université Pierre et Marie Curie in Paris. He is a graduate of the Faculty of Pharmacy and Biochemistry of the University of Buenos Aires and Faculty of Medicine of the Hospital Center of Pitié-Salpetrière, Paris.

Dr Eran Bendavid and Dr Jay Bhattacharya are professors of medicine and public health at Stanford University.

Dr Tom Jefferson is a British epidemiologist, based in Rome. He works for the Cochrane Collaboration, where he is an author and editor of the Cochrane Collaboration’s acute respiratory infections group, as well as part of four other Cochrane groups. He is also an advisor to the Italian National Agency for Regional Health Services.

Dr Michael Levitt is Professor of biochemistry at Stanford University. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society (FRS), a member of the National Academy of Sciences and received the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.

German Network for Evidence-Based Medicine is an association of German scientists, researchers and medical professionals. The network was founded in 2000 to disseminate and further develop concepts and methods of evidence-based and patient-oriented medicine in practice, teaching and research, and today has around 1000 members.

Dr Richard Schabas is the former Chief Medical Officer of Ontario, Medical Officer of Hastings and Prince Edward Public Health and Chief of Staff at York Central Hospital.

Professor Knut Wittkowski was head of The Rockefeller University’s Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design for 20 years.

Dr John Lee is a consultant histopathologist at Rotherham General Hospital and formerly clinical professor of pathology at Hull York Medical School.

Dr John Oxford is a virologist and Professor at Queen Mary, University of London.

So, please, please, I beg you help me overcome my confirmation bias by pointing me towards articles or interviews by similarly eminently qualified and respected academics and professionals in the field who say that the media portrayal of the epidemic is accurate, balanced and factually correct and the measures being taken are proportionate and well-founded. I would love to read or listen to them.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:00 am

Why are doctors and hospital staff treating COVID19 patients dying?

Because no vaccine is available, the virus is highly contagious and is omnipresent in hospitals where patients are being treated for it, so clearly the staff working in such hospitals come into constant contact with the virus and are highly likely to contract it, and some people who contract the virus die, although the case mortality rate is now turning out to be less than 1%.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:03 am

PS I forgot to mention Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government, the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, in the above list.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:05 am

Don't get infected? As I have described above, I strongly believe I have had it and I just got over it by resting at home. I hope at some stage they will let you get tested for antibodies so I can prove I had it.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby B25 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:11 am

Ok Tim, ok, thanks for that humungous list, perhaps those 'experts' should speak to the families of all those that died needlessly and tell them is is all a hoax and we really don't have anything to worry about.

None of them have experienced the virus I am guessing, perhaps not haps members of their family die from it and give us advice that no country on the planet is listening to and that all the countries of the world are just plain stupid idiots. Really, I cannot get me head around how so many experts with so many opinions have not managed to persuade any country to open up yet.

We must all be sheeple (as you often call us).
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