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[repulsewarrior]

Eisenhower's farewell address, warning Americans of the power of the Military Industrial Complex.

[erolz66]

B25 do you know where you treated with hydroxychloroquine when in hospital with the virus ?

Its effectiveness is still something I would put in the 'not yet known' category but daily the data is mounting to get it out of that category and in to the category of 'we know it is not effective treatment' against the virus. Evidence from actual clinical trials but also evidence like

According to the progressive watchdog Media Matters, Fox News personalities and guests mentioned hydroxychloroquine nearly 300 times between 23 March and 6 April. The same group found hosts have stopped mentioning the drug in recent days, reporting that mentions dropped 77% over five recent days compared with the previous five-day period. Fox News only reported the latest study’s findings on its website.

A Politico review of White House briefings and cable news coverage found Trump hardly mention the drug last week, avoiding it entirely during briefings on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Still a nice run for 'Big Pharma' none the less , selling a drug in the 100's of millions if not billions of doses worldwide to treat something it probably does not treat. Where are the 'big pharma' conspiracy theorist on this on I wonder ?

(source for quotes https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... oronavirus)

By the way B25 - keep staying safe mate. In your position I would make no assumptions about immunity from having had it and recovered unfortunately

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/04/23/coro ... -positive/

[B25]

B25 do you know where you treated with hydroxychloroquine when in hospital with the virus ?

Its effectiveness is still something I would put in the 'not yet known' category but daily the data is mounting to get it out of that category and in to the category of 'we know it is not effective treatment' against the virus. Evidence from actual clinical trials but also evidence like

According to the progressive watchdog Media Matters, Fox News personalities and guests mentioned hydroxychloroquine nearly 300 times between 23 March and 6 April. The same group found hosts have stopped mentioning the drug in recent days, reporting that mentions dropped 77% over five recent days compared with the previous five-day period. Fox News only reported the latest study’s findings on its website.

A Politico review of White House briefings and cable news coverage found Trump hardly mention the drug last week, avoiding it entirely during briefings on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Still a nice run for 'Big Pharma' none the less , selling a drug in the 100's of millions if not billions of doses worldwide to treat something it probably does not treat. Where are the 'big pharma' conspiracy theorist on this on I wonder ?

(source for quotes https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... oronavirus)

By the way B25 - keep staying safe mate. In your position I would make no assumptions about immunity from having had it and recovered unfortunately

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/04/23/coro ... -positive/

I believe They did treat me with such. They gave me, and excuse the spelling a tablet called Plaquinene 200mg, I think it is the drug that Trump was touting.

They were also giving me IV fluids daily with something else added.

I read about the reinfection/reactivation and this is my point about the 'anti-bodies', Here they test you to achieve 2 consecutive negatives before they class you as recovered! In any case I am staying well clear of everyone. It's not until you have been through this that you realise the seriousness of it. Some people from the safety of their homes in a country taking all the necessary and correct measures have the audacity to belittle this as a flu like issue. Perhaps they would not be saying the same had they lived in the UK/US/Italy/Spain, or indeed if the contracted it.

My question to them is this: How manay doctors or hospital workers do you know that died from treating patiences with flu?

And why are they dying treating patients with COVID19?

My nephew is a doctor in the General hospital in Ammochostos, he lives away from his family and has not had any contact with them for weeks for safety. Would he be doing this if he was treating flu patients??

Something doesn't add up.

[Tim Drayton]

Tim should explain to us what benefit a government has by shutting every industry down and confining all their citizens at home, if not to protect them from a deadly virus.

Lay it out on the table Tim... give us the points we are missing that you are able to see, from this "devious" global plan.

Do enlighten us.

This is an excellent question, so thanks for posing it.

There are a number of valid hypotheses, e.g.

1. Having spent twelve years trying to rescue the global capitalist economy with quantitative easing, low or even negative interest rates, to no avail, a massive collapse was inevitable and the coronavirus epidemic is being used as a smokescreen to provide an excuse for the collapse so as to divert public anger away from the real culprits. Also, the economic crash was liable to provoke widespread outrage and protests, so what better way to prevent this than have everyone under house arrest.

2. Various popular protest movements were springing up in different countries. People who know France well have said that the Yellow Vests movement there was far stronger than the media was generally depicting and things were heading in the direction of revolution. Again, what better way to head this off than place everyone under house arrest. It is notable that France has some of the strictest lockdown measures anywhere.

3. This crisis is certainly going to exact a heavy toll on small and medium-sized enterprises, with most of them probably set to go to the wall. But how hard is it going to affect major international corporations? For example, the small producers in the US shale oil sector look set to go bankrupt pretty immanently, but the shale patch will one day go back to producing and the majors like ExonMobil and Shell are drooling at the prospect of picking up their assets at pennies on the dollar once the little guys go bankrupt and making big bucks once the oil price picks up again. You really need to ask cui bono? The more you look into it, all the tentacles behind the manufactured hysteria over the coronavirus stretch back to the Gates Foundation and big pharma. Big pharma is going to earn tons of money from this crisis, and perhaps they just don’t care if everyone else goes bust.

4. Perhaps the future bumper profits for big capital that will come under the totalitarian, surveillance society that some claim is being rolled out on the back of this manufactured crisis far outweigh the temporary losses entailed by the crashing of the world economy.

With reference to the above scenarios, it is worth taking a look at the interview with German journalist and author Ernst Wolff, who specializes in studying the global financial system from an anti-capitalist standpoint, to which I have linked above. Wolff says the measures being rolled out on the pretext of the coronavirus epidemic mean that the global financial system has crashed, something he has long been predicting, and these strict measures are being taken so that a transition to a new economic system that may well involve wholesale confiscation of assets can be managed and to prevent people from protesting against it by keeping them under house arrest. Frankly, I hope he’s wrong but a lot of what he says adds up.

You can find a whole wealth of ideas at the following blog:

https://wrenchinthegears.com/2020/04/

whose author argues:

"By tanking the global economy, which was planned to jumpstart the Fourth Industrial Revolution and human capital investment markets anyway, those with an eye on pandemic markets maximized potential future profit."

Just a few random snippets from this blog, some of the science in which I find challenging, to give an idea of the arguments:

There will be profound, almost incalculable, economic fall out from the lockdown.
As tragic as this is, it actually makes sense within the context of global markets. Pandemic finance is meant to be a growth sector, and market logic dictates a terrible first time out of the gate will guarantee “improvement” on future dashboard metrics.

…

For them it was a win-win. Impoverish millions so they will be forced to become social impact data commodities and set up a really robust futures market in pandemic preparedness with a side of biometric surveillance. I’m sure the fin-tech oligarchs are beside themselves right now.

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What IS clear is that powerful global interests, including members of the World Economic Forum, are using this time of disruption and desperation to try and push through many elements needed to implement their Fourth Industrial Revolution program. This includes global digital currency, smart biometric surveillance, wearable technologies, online education, and tele-presence labor including tele-medicine and tele-therapy. All of this is happening against a back-drop of increased policing, diminished labor and environmental protections, and 5G infrastructure installation.

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Public health is being weaponized as a tool of bio-surveillance and profit extraction. Profit will be created through human capital finance AND through the architecture of the surveillance it requires. Seth Berkley, the head of the Gates Foundation’s vaccine program GAVI, is a co-author of the piece. Gates maintains significant investments in satellite deployment and Crown Castle 5G wireless infrastructure. Rebecca Weintraub, another co-author, is managing director of the Draper Kaplan Richard Foundation, which is heavily invested in ed-tech and data-driven crimal justice reform.

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As we struggle to comprehend this new reality and protect ourselves and our loved ones and communities, we must also realize that global powers have weaponized public health systems in ways that are unimaginable to most people.
Unless you have a clear understanding of biometric surveillance and human capital finance you will be tempted to dismiss valid concerns as “conspiracy.” That is what they want. They want you to believe in the benevolence of Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Marc Benioff, Pierre Omidyar, and god forbid even Michael Bloomberg.

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Framing future pandemics as an issue of national security allows public health to be subsumed within an increasingly sophisticated global apparatus of of digital surveillance, predictive analytics, and enclosure. The nature of the Covid-19 pandemic, which has been characterized by asymptomatic carriers and inadequate testing protocols, has led populations around the world to embrace diminished civil liberties and even welcome the opportunity to be deputized as community enforcers.

[CBBB]

Or it could just be a valid reaction to a pandemic.

[Tim Drayton]

My nephew is a doctor in the General hospital in Ammochostos, he lives away from his family and has not had any contact with them for weeks for safety. Would he be doing this if he was treating flu patients??

Something doesn't add up.

No, he wouldn't be doing this if he was treating flu patients, because medical staff are routinely given vaccinations against influenza and no vaccinations exist for Covid-19.

[Tim Drayton]

Mother arrested for being with her kids in a kids' playground in the US state of Idaho, taken away with her kids left behind on their own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq9Gv7U ... e=youtu.be

This is the new fascist dystopia being created before your very eyes!

But you sheeple are baying for more. The media tells you that it must be so, or the black death will come and kill you.

Repeat after me sheeple:

"Baah ... baah ... baah."

I've given up hope.

Yeah Tim - everyone else is 'sheeple' - you are not.

What have you ever done towards trying to stop abuses like these before this display of 'righteous outrage' and 'superiority' you post here ? If you ask 'what could I have done' then I say to you to give one example, have a look at the youtube channel crimebodge . Even watching ONE of his videos would have more real world impact on the issue you now scream about here. Sharing them, more impact again. Educating yourself from watching them more again. Donating to this persons efforts more again. But no you prefer to spend time that could have done any of these things expressing your outrage and superiority here - none of which will make one jot of real world difference.

You want to ask 'why has someone not got and is not getting MSM coverage' ? Ask yourself why this guy that has been running the crimebodge channel for YEARS does not get such.

Ask yourself why today when we most NEED such we do not have more accountable, better police and the uncomfortable truth is because because, before all this you did FUCK ALL about it when there were simple things you could have done that could have made a real world difference. I did FUCK all. I had better things to do, better ways to spend my time. Almost all of us did FUCK ALL.

Baaaahhhhh !

You seriously want me to chronicle my political activism over my life?

Well, to give an idea, in the 1970's as a left-wing student in the UK I was involved, among other things, in the fight against the fascist National Front, which once led to me being hospitalized. Fast forward to now and I am doing voluntary translation work for the Turkish left-wing Evrensel newspaper, one of the miniscule number of remaining opposition newspapers in the country to bring out a daily print edition despite being under threats and embargoes of all kinds, as my tiny contribution to the fight against the fascist Erdoğan regime. You can find a link to one of my efforts below. I will leave your imagination to fill in the rest.

https://www.evrensel.net/daily/397157/a ... e-in-syria

[Tim Drayton]

Or it could just be a valid reaction to a pandemic.

Could be. The trouble is that this does not stand scrutiny when placed against the hard, scientific evidence. To find that, you have to make the effort to go to indepenent sources. Obviously, most people here refuse to do that.

[CrookedRiverGuy]

Or it could just be a valid reaction to a pandemic.

Could be. The trouble is that this does not stand scrutiny when placed against the hard, scientific evidence. To find that, you have to make the effort to go to indepenent sources. Obviously, most people here refuse to do that.

Well, that is confirmation bias

[CrookedRiverGuy]

Or it could just be a valid reaction to a pandemic.

Yeah, we better keep it simple.

I wish that the conspirationists could shut up when they wake up one day and find that this Corona crisis did not lead into a nasty new world order. But will they, of course there will be other things to rave about