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[repulsewarrior]

...an interesting video; what a public demonstration looks like with people standing six feet apart from each other,

https://indianexpress.com/article/world ... l-6370282/

[Londonrake]

This was taken 6 months ago. Clearly, they knew what was coming.

[Kikapu]

This was taken 6 months ago. Clearly, they knew what was coming.

Cute!

[Tim Drayton]

Dr. John Ioannidis, Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine, has given another excellent interview in which he speaks about the latest developments in the coronavirus crisis, drawing on the results of recent research that has become available. It is one hour and twelve minutes long, but if you have the time and want to hear an expert opinion on the subject, I think it is well worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwPqmLoZA4s

[erolz66]

Dr. John Ioannidis, Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine, has given another excellent interview in which he speaks about the latest developments in the coronavirus crisis, drawing on the results of recent research that has become available. It is one hour and twelve minutes long, but if you have the time and want to hear an expert opinion on the subject, I think it is well worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwPqmLoZA4s

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[repulsewarrior]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3ba ... or-3-years

...why China has an appearance of influence at the WHO; America is just not there.

[Tim Drayton]

Dr. John Ioannidis, Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine, has given another excellent interview in which he speaks about the latest developments in the coronavirus crisis, drawing on the results of recent research that has become available. It is one hour and twelve minutes long, but if you have the time and want to hear an expert opinion on the subject, I think it is well worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwPqmLoZA4s

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Copying and pasting the first convenient comment you could google up? The media really has you well and truly conditioned! Of course, you could have reacted like an intelligent, educated person and listened first to what one of the most eminent professionals in the field has to say and then reacted based on solid, scientific evidence. If you had actually bothered to listen, you would see that Ioannidis avoids making any definitive forecasts about the future, he only talks of probabilities, so the comment you have glibly copied and pasted has no merit. Still, if you want to play the game of copying and pasting, here are some comments beneath this most informative interview and I, for one, salute Prof. Ioannides in giving up his valuable time to share his expertise with the public. I suspect the people who made these comments actually bothered to hear what Prof. Ioannides had to say first:

This man should be calling all the shots where this pandemic is concerned.

I keep sharing these interviews everywhere! They are very well done! Please, please, please keep interviewing as many doctors as possible! Some more I've seen who would be great additions are: Dr. Pamela Popper, dr. Sam Vaknin, and dr. Shiva ayyadurai.... Anyway, thank you so much for these! I will continue to share!

I am a german Intensiv care doctor, Prof. Ioannidis is absolutely right with his studies - a very brave scientist - Thank you Prof. Ioannidis!

His mind just works so smoothly, very little pause, concise speech with measured tone. Enjoying these interviews.

This is how a scientist should work and speak. Thank you mr. Ioannidis!!!!

That's what I call science

The measures are killing people, from the first day. Mass-Hysteria kills people since the first day of policies/measures. It's a brutal crime against all people.
So the place in the US where one will most likely die of COVID-19 is a hospital in metropolitan NYC. So many people have bought into the media-fueled and government-leveraged hype over COVID-19 that saying what this doctor is saying--what many of us believed from jump street--is taboo. In the comments section of a video presenting the facts regarding herd immunity, I was shouted down and called a filthy Nazi for noting that human populations have survived viral diseases since the beginning of human history, mostly without vaccines, because herd immunity is acquired through exposure, not through vaccination per se. Group think is far more dangerous than COVID-19.

Dr John Ionnidis you are rays of light and hope in darkness

Thank you for this and other interviews. Much needed in the insanity going on.

Thank you for this interview. It is a refreshing antidote to the hysteria in the mainstream and also social media.

The question is, how will Fauci, WHO, Gates, MSM try to discredit Ioannidis?

So the lockdown amounts to economic terrorism and is of much greater threat than the virus. Were we all not aware this from day 1?

The actual pandemic is the global panic reaction. We need capable experts in psychology of the individual and the masses much more than we need experts for epidemiology. You cant dampen a panic with rational reasoning or complex science. Panic is like an addiction. It's a vicious circle, a death spiral. We might actually need a monumental John Wayne to give the public a monumental slap in the face so the media and the people snap out of it and get back on the floor of reality again.

Thank you Dr. Ioannidis. Why we don't have reasonable people like you in government is beyond me.

On behalf of the Swedes Thanks for your gratulations. Now please tell your media to stop spreading lies about us, it's starting to get annoying.

The most humble "simple scientist" ever!! Falsi could take lessons.

I'm no longer so concerned about the virus than I am of the government now.

Smart man

I cannot praise this serious and honest scientist enough, nor the superb interviewer. We are FINALLY learning about the truth!

It takes a true hero to speak the truth these days.

Dr. Ioannidis is a legend. Man is doing GOD'S work smashing the fearmongers.

Fantastic work. Looking forward to the retrospective analysis of the different strategies taken by countries and how it impacted outcomes. Impact on healthcare infrastructure, total deaths vs deaths per day, economic cost, incidental healthcare impacts from alterations to existing systems. We will all learn. Thank you to all who worked hard to treat the vulnerable, the many who served the community, the many who looked out for others and kept the vulnerable safe, but most of all thank you to the hard working scientists trying to collect and communicate data to shape decisions moving forward.
Thank you Dr. Ioannidis, a wonderful interview. THIS is what the world needs to see.

Είσαι μεγάλος μάγκας γιατρέ μου να είσαι πάντα καλά

Such an eloquent and intellgent speaker!

By the time science got it right we were in lockdown and the damage was already done!!

It’s really refreshing to hear to hear some reason and logic . To be be even more confident in his studies one would think it would make sense to do more large testing samples to reassure the findings. When things return to normal I’m hoping that if there was negligence on part of governments and health officials that they are brought to task .

This is the best video on YouTube and everyone needs to watch it

[erolz66]

Copying and pasting the first convenient comment you could google up? The media really has you well and truly conditioned! Of course, you could have reacted like an intelligent, educated person and listened first to what one of the most eminent professionals in the field has to say and then reacted based on solid, scientific evidence. If you had actually bothered to listen, you would see that Ioannidis avoids making any definitive forecasts about the future, he only talks of probabilities, so the comment you have glibly copied and pasted has no merit. Still, if you want to play the game of copying and pasting, here are some comments beneath this most informative interview and I, for one, salute Prof. Ioannides in giving up his valuable time to share his expertise with the public. I suspect the people who made these comments actually bothered to hear what Prof. Ioannides had to say first:

I am not here to 'fight' Tim. I know the person who made that fb post and I respect their ability to 'think'. I had listened to the video link you posted. Your assumption that I had not is just that assumption. Then from that false assumption you launch in to personal attacks about intelligence and education. These accusation about given individuals being 'brainwashed' by the 'media' are futile and pointless and also inherently egotistical and arrogant. The people who make them are of course immune to any and all influence from media, be in main stream or otherwise or any thing else. They always think for themselves. It is only 'other' people who suffer from such things. Childish nonsense.

Prof Ionannidis is an eminent professor. He has been serial wrong in his previous 'best guesses' as to fatally numbers and ranges. This tells me that we, none of us, do not yet know so many things about this virus with any degree of certainty. You seem certain none the less. I welcome his work and comments but he is not the single expert that has all the answers. He is one that supports to some degree what you would like to believe about this virus. but of course you are immune to any 'influence' from such things and always think for yourself.

We should today be getting week 15 ONS figures for total deaths in England and wales. I await those with interest. If they do not fit what you want to believe how will you react I wonder ?

[erolz66]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Probably another thing that only 'other' people suffer from Tim but not intelligent educated free thinkers like yourself ?

[Tim Drayton]

Cutting and pasting any old post ... ad-hominem attacks? How nice it would be to have some intelligent debate. What is it that you think Prof. Ioannides, basing his views on the results of recent scientific studies that have become available and reaching the best possible conclusion based on current data, has got wrong?

Prediction is not an exact science and everyone gets it wrong. Ioannidis himself in the interview admits that he, too, makes mistakes. But which of the following two forecasts came closer to the truth?

This is from Ionannidis' Washington Post interview:

'Data from Iceland and Denmark, which have done the best random sampling, also point in the same direction, Ioannidis said. “If I were to make an informed estimate based on the limited testing data we have, I would say that covid-19 will result in fewer than 40,000 deaths this season in the USA,” Ioannidis told me.'

The latest death toll in the USA, which there is ample evidence to show is inflated by attributing death to covid-19 when people may well have died of the underlying condition which the vast majority of those die have, is 42,604.

The Imperial College London forecast for deaths in the UK, based on which a massive assault on civil liberties and fundamental rights was staged, was 500,000. So far, official figures put the number of deaths at 16,509.

Incidentally, if anybody can point me in the direction of talks by eminently qualified health professionals who say that current media coverage of the pandemic is rational and scientifically based and all the draconian measures being taken are warranted, I would be happy to listen.