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[Tim Drayton]

My gratitude goes out to Sweden, the country that stood up to big-pharma bullying and did not turn the country into a police state with everyone under house arrest, and has shown that a less panic-stricken approach can work. Otherwise, like the old joke about the man sprinkling dust on Clapham Common to keep away the lions, the WHO/big pharma would have been able to respond once the epidemic peaks and then ends, as they always have and always will, “You see!” when challenged, “But there are no lions on Clapham Common” and claim that this assault on liberty had been necessary.

The population of the Swedish capital Stockholm could achieve “herd immunity” from coronavirus within weeks, a health chief has claimed.

Dr Anders Tegnell, the man responsible for drawing up the country’s controversial coronavirus strategy, said infection rates in the capital are slowing because people had developed a resistance.

“According to our modellers, we are starting to see so many immune people in the population in Stockholm that it is starting to have an effect on the spread of the infection,” he told local media.

“Our models point to some time in May.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 33606.html

Not just Sweden, but Australia too.

Australia just said that it will become self sufficient with regard to Pharmaceuticals. No more Chy-na holding us hostage and threatening us or buying p all our pharmaceutical stockpiles.

I'm hoping Australia also cuts off all funding to WHO like Trump did. If they do that, 70% of Australia will be voting for them.

Well, it's summer in Australia, which I think is a significant factor.

[Paphitis]

My gratitude goes out to Sweden, the country that stood up to big-pharma bullying and did not turn the country into a police state with everyone under house arrest, and has shown that a less panic-stricken approach can work. Otherwise, like the old joke about the man sprinkling dust on Clapham Common to keep away the lions, the WHO/big pharma would have been able to respond once the epidemic peaks and then ends, as they always have and always will, “You see!” when challenged, “But there are no lions on Clapham Common” and claim that this assault on liberty had been necessary.

The population of the Swedish capital Stockholm could achieve “herd immunity” from coronavirus within weeks, a health chief has claimed.

Dr Anders Tegnell, the man responsible for drawing up the country’s controversial coronavirus strategy, said infection rates in the capital are slowing because people had developed a resistance.

“According to our modellers, we are starting to see so many immune people in the population in Stockholm that it is starting to have an effect on the spread of the infection,” he told local media.

“Our models point to some time in May.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 33606.html

Not just Sweden, but Australia too.

Australia just said that it will become self sufficient with regard to Pharmaceuticals. No more Chy-na holding us hostage and threatening us or buying p all our pharmaceutical stockpiles.

I'm hoping Australia also cuts off all funding to WHO like Trump did. If they do that, 70% of Australia will be voting for them.

Well, it's summer in Australia, which I think is a significant factor.

Maybe, although it's starting to get cold now and yet our numbers are still very low.

Everyone is saying we might be a couple of months away. But somehow I think we will be ok.

Our Government just hinted that it's Chy-na Virus advisers are hinting the reduction of restrictions in a couple of weeks. Or 4 weeks at the latest.

[Tim Drayton]

My gratitude goes out to Sweden, the country that stood up to big-pharma bullying and did not turn the country into a police state with everyone under house arrest, and has shown that a less panic-stricken approach can work. Otherwise, like the old joke about the man sprinkling dust on Clapham Common to keep away the lions, the WHO/big pharma would have been able to respond once the epidemic peaks and then ends, as they always have and always will, “You see!” when challenged, “But there are no lions on Clapham Common” and claim that this assault on liberty had been necessary.

The population of the Swedish capital Stockholm could achieve “herd immunity” from coronavirus within weeks, a health chief has claimed.

Dr Anders Tegnell, the man responsible for drawing up the country’s controversial coronavirus strategy, said infection rates in the capital are slowing because people had developed a resistance.

“According to our modellers, we are starting to see so many immune people in the population in Stockholm that it is starting to have an effect on the spread of the infection,” he told local media.

“Our models point to some time in May.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 33606.html

So far Sweden has had 3 times more deaths than recovered with thousands more waiting to die who are infected if the current trend continues.

Is that really a success story?

I am not sure where you are getting your information from, but in a recent interview Dr John A Lee, a recently retired professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist says:

“As far as I can see, Sweden, despite not having anywhere near as severe a lockdown as we have had, actually has a very similar curve to ours. And Sweden’s death rate per hundred thousand people is roughly half of ours at the moment. So it is not a given that what we are doing is either working or is having all the right effects.”

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/1 ... e-working/

[Tim Drayton]

My gratitude goes out to Sweden, the country that stood up to big-pharma bullying and did not turn the country into a police state with everyone under house arrest, and has shown that a less panic-stricken approach can work. Otherwise, like the old joke about the man sprinkling dust on Clapham Common to keep away the lions, the WHO/big pharma would have been able to respond once the epidemic peaks and then ends, as they always have and always will, “You see!” when challenged, “But there are no lions on Clapham Common” and claim that this assault on liberty had been necessary.

The population of the Swedish capital Stockholm could achieve “herd immunity” from coronavirus within weeks, a health chief has claimed.

Dr Anders Tegnell, the man responsible for drawing up the country’s controversial coronavirus strategy, said infection rates in the capital are slowing because people had developed a resistance.

“According to our modellers, we are starting to see so many immune people in the population in Stockholm that it is starting to have an effect on the spread of the infection,” he told local media.

“Our models point to some time in May.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 33606.html

So far Sweden has had 3 times more deaths than recovered with thousands more waiting to die who are infected if the current trend continues.

Is that really a success story?

If they save their economy with only a 2 to 5% reduction in GDP, then yes, it's an amazing success story for the Swedes.

It beats the 20% reduction in GDP everyone else is gonna experience in the EU. Plus, they are still getting ravaged.

Our poor young people are gonna wish they were dead with a 20 to 30% reduction in GDP destroying their lives.

I forecast that thanks to not having destroyed its economy Sweden is set to become a much more influential country a world that appears to be heading into deep recession.

[Kikapu]

My gratitude goes out to Sweden, the country that stood up to big-pharma bullying and did not turn the country into a police state with everyone under house arrest, and has shown that a less panic-stricken approach can work. Otherwise, like the old joke about the man sprinkling dust on Clapham Common to keep away the lions, the WHO/big pharma would have been able to respond once the epidemic peaks and then ends, as they always have and always will, “You see!” when challenged, “But there are no lions on Clapham Common” and claim that this assault on liberty had been necessary.

The population of the Swedish capital Stockholm could achieve “herd immunity” from coronavirus within weeks, a health chief has claimed.

Dr Anders Tegnell, the man responsible for drawing up the country’s controversial coronavirus strategy, said infection rates in the capital are slowing because people had developed a resistance.

“According to our modellers, we are starting to see so many immune people in the population in Stockholm that it is starting to have an effect on the spread of the infection,” he told local media.

“Our models point to some time in May.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 33606.html

So far Sweden has had 3 times more deaths than recovered with thousands more waiting to die who are infected if the current trend continues.

Is that really a success story?

If they save their economy with only a 2 to 5% reduction in GDP, then yes, it's an amazing success story for the Swedes.

It beats the 20% reduction in GDP everyone else is gonna experience in the EU. Plus, they are still getting ravaged.

Our poor young people are gonna wish they were dead with a 20 to 30% reduction in GDP destroying their lives.

Only if Sweden is not part of the global economy. If they are part of the global economy, they too will have suffered as any other country economically regardless whether they have had a lockdown or not, but in the meantime, Sweden’s death rate is 300 times higher than it’s recovered patients which by all indications is much higher than those who had timely or untimely lockdowns.

[Paphitis]

My gratitude goes out to Sweden, the country that stood up to big-pharma bullying and did not turn the country into a police state with everyone under house arrest, and has shown that a less panic-stricken approach can work. Otherwise, like the old joke about the man sprinkling dust on Clapham Common to keep away the lions, the WHO/big pharma would have been able to respond once the epidemic peaks and then ends, as they always have and always will, “You see!” when challenged, “But there are no lions on Clapham Common” and claim that this assault on liberty had been necessary.

The population of the Swedish capital Stockholm could achieve “herd immunity” from coronavirus within weeks, a health chief has claimed.

Dr Anders Tegnell, the man responsible for drawing up the country’s controversial coronavirus strategy, said infection rates in the capital are slowing because people had developed a resistance.

“According to our modellers, we are starting to see so many immune people in the population in Stockholm that it is starting to have an effect on the spread of the infection,” he told local media.

“Our models point to some time in May.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 33606.html

So far Sweden has had 3 times more deaths than recovered with thousands more waiting to die who are infected if the current trend continues.

Is that really a success story?

If they save their economy with only a 2 to 5% reduction in GDP, then yes, it's an amazing success story for the Swedes.

It beats the 20% reduction in GDP everyone else is gonna experience in the EU. Plus, they are still getting ravaged.

Our poor young people are gonna wish they were dead with a 20 to 30% reduction in GDP destroying their lives.

I forecast that thanks to not having destroyed its economy Sweden is set to become a much more influential country a world that appears to be heading into deep recession.

I hope so and good luck to them.

[Paphitis]

My gratitude goes out to Sweden, the country that stood up to big-pharma bullying and did not turn the country into a police state with everyone under house arrest, and has shown that a less panic-stricken approach can work. Otherwise, like the old joke about the man sprinkling dust on Clapham Common to keep away the lions, the WHO/big pharma would have been able to respond once the epidemic peaks and then ends, as they always have and always will, “You see!” when challenged, “But there are no lions on Clapham Common” and claim that this assault on liberty had been necessary.

The population of the Swedish capital Stockholm could achieve “herd immunity” from coronavirus within weeks, a health chief has claimed.

Dr Anders Tegnell, the man responsible for drawing up the country’s controversial coronavirus strategy, said infection rates in the capital are slowing because people had developed a resistance.

“According to our modellers, we are starting to see so many immune people in the population in Stockholm that it is starting to have an effect on the spread of the infection,” he told local media.

“Our models point to some time in May.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 33606.html

So far Sweden has had 3 times more deaths than recovered with thousands more waiting to die who are infected if the current trend continues.

Is that really a success story?

If they save their economy with only a 2 to 5% reduction in GDP, then yes, it's an amazing success story for the Swedes.

It beats the 20% reduction in GDP everyone else is gonna experience in the EU. Plus, they are still getting ravaged.

Our poor young people are gonna wish they were dead with a 20 to 30% reduction in GDP destroying their lives.

Only if Sweden is not part of the global economy. If they are part of the global economy, they too will have suffered as any other country economically regardless whether they have had a lockdown or not, but in the meantime, Sweden’s death rate is 300 times higher than it’s recovered patients which by all indications is much higher than those who had timely or untimely lockdowns.

Some countries will suffer more than others.

And Sweden might be one of those countries that might get out of this with far less economic impact.

At the moment I am starting to believe people are egging on for an Orwellian type of society. I understand that drastic restrictions may be necessary for some, but there might be an over reaction and the lock down doesn't seem to work. What works are social distancing measures and closed borders.

We should have tried to keep life going as close as possible to normal as we can.

Why for instance keep people locked in their houses in Cyprus with only 700 odd cases, half of which would have recovered by now? As long as people don't go to night clubs and congregate in groups over 100, and maintain 2m of separation and wash their hands all the time, there is no reason why Chy-na Virus can't be controlled.

[Kikapu]

My gratitude goes out to Sweden, the country that stood up to big-pharma bullying and did not turn the country into a police state with everyone under house arrest, and has shown that a less panic-stricken approach can work. Otherwise, like the old joke about the man sprinkling dust on Clapham Common to keep away the lions, the WHO/big pharma would have been able to respond once the epidemic peaks and then ends, as they always have and always will, “You see!” when challenged, “But there are no lions on Clapham Common” and claim that this assault on liberty had been necessary.

The population of the Swedish capital Stockholm could achieve “herd immunity” from coronavirus within weeks, a health chief has claimed.

Dr Anders Tegnell, the man responsible for drawing up the country’s controversial coronavirus strategy, said infection rates in the capital are slowing because people had developed a resistance.

“According to our modellers, we are starting to see so many immune people in the population in Stockholm that it is starting to have an effect on the spread of the infection,” he told local media.

“Our models point to some time in May.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-s ... 33606.html

So far Sweden has had 3 times more deaths than recovered with thousands more waiting to die who are infected if the current trend continues.

Is that really a success story?

If they save their economy with only a 2 to 5% reduction in GDP, then yes, it's an amazing success story for the Swedes.

It beats the 20% reduction in GDP everyone else is gonna experience in the EU. Plus, they are still getting ravaged.

Our poor young people are gonna wish they were dead with a 20 to 30% reduction in GDP destroying their lives.

Only if Sweden is not part of the global economy. If they are part of the global economy, they too will have suffered as any other country economically regardless whether they have had a lockdown or not, but in the meantime, Sweden’s death rate is 300 times higher than it’s recovered patients which by all indications is much higher than those who had timely or untimely lockdowns.

Some countries will suffer more than others.

And Sweden might be one of those countries that might get out of this with far less economic impact.

At the moment I am starting to believe people are egging on for an Orwellian type of society. I understand that drastic restrictions may be necessary for some, but there might be an over reaction and the lock down doesn't seem to work. What works are social distancing measures and closed borders.

We should have tried to keep life going as close as possible to normal as we can.

Why for instance keep people locked in their houses in Cyprus with only 700 odd cases, half of which would have recovered by now? As long as people don't go to night clubs and congregate in groups over 100, and maintain 2m of separation and wash their hands all the time, there is no reason why Chy-na Virus can't be controlled.

As far as I know, only Cyprus seems to have a very strict lockdown, which I understand Tim’s frustration as being a prisoner in his home. The rest of us seems to have recommendations to remain at home if one is not working and when they should go out, is to practice social distancing. That’s how it is here in Switzerland. No one is locked into their homes, but we still have a lockdown from mass gatherings or events of large gatherings and with borders closed. Most are working from home, certain small businesses are closed temporarily and those employees are financially helped by the government and employer through various worker insurances. The sky has not fallen, neither here or elsewhere. People need to give a little now for greater benefit later.

[Tim Drayton]

... in the meantime, Sweden’s death rate is 300 times higher than it’s recovered patients which by all indications is much higher than those who had timely or untimely lockdowns.

I am not sure where you get your inflated figures from. Seemingly, recently retired professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist, Dr John A Lee, quoted above, doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Tim Drayton]

... I understand Tim’s frustration as being a prisoner in his home...

It isn't frustration, but fear. And not fear of catching a flu-like virus, which I believe I have already had anyway. It is the way this affair is being blown out of proportion and used as a pretext for usurping hard-won fundamental rights and I am not convinced we are going to get them all back. I am not sure what, but I think there is a political agenda behind this and it won't be a good agenda as far as the majority of the people go.