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[Paphitis]

Few weeks ago there were several republican politicians in the US advocating to open the country for business despite the Coronavirus and that the elderly shouldn’t be selfish by wanting to live longer and at the same time, they claimed that they were ready to die to save the economy in the US. Well, I don’t see any of these motherfucker politicians dying yet as they are hiding in their basements. Yes, lets let the other guy die for the good of the nation, but not me is their thinking. These are the same fuckers who would remain in their foxholes after ordering the rest of the soldiers to charge forward.

We have had a couple of politicians get it in Australia.

Also, let's not forget, Boris had a really close call.

Australia is looking at opening the economy fully in a bout a month's time. There will still be restrictions, mainly on international travel but our local economy is about to start again with everyone going back to work, bars, pubs and restaurants opened and life starting to get back to normal.

What we found to have worked more than anything was closing our borders to international traffic and forcing international travelers, including our own citizens into isolation. And yet that wasn't enough because we were still importing the virus on luxury cruise ships, forcing drastic action. Passengers were not allowed to disembark. there were 2 ships in dock. Their Captains were arrested and charged and the Navy was sent out to sea to turn away with force 9 Ships who were refusing to turn around and head back to the last port of departure. We had a situation down here where cruise liners were being intercepted by Frigates and Destroyers and instructed to turn around at which point they had no choice, because if they wouldn't, they would be boarded by a military boarding party to arrest the Captain and take over the Ship.

No Shp wanted to come to Australia after that especially since P&O has been threatened with sanctions.

the results of these brutal measures are evident. If we did not do this, then its highly likely we would be on the exponential curve still.

Boris Johnson was very cavalier along with Trump on coronavirus earlier on and were against any lockdown, and as fate would have it, Boris got it also. I hope he will recovers fully, but his non actions then has caused thousands of deaths in the UK now and for that, I hold him responsible for their deaths. Now it is too little too late with the current lockdown in the UK other than saying perhaps, better late than never if it makes Boris sleep at nights.

Then explain France, Spain, Italy, Germany and even Switzerland.

Were they cavalier?

And what I don't get about these accusations of inaction against Trump and Boris. How can you criticize any world leader and not criticize WHO which was also cavalier and down played the situation. Why is WHO seemingly immune to criticism.

And why is Chy-na immune when they isolated Wuhan on the 23rd of January but allowed international travel to continue to the 4 corners of the globe under the watchful eye of WHO? And why did we all ignore Taiwan who were raising alarm bells very early on news years eve?

It's not quite logical to me Kikapu.

There is a big difference, Paphitis.

Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Austria and Switzerland did not dismiss the Coronavirus as being insignificant and were not against lockdown unlike Boris and Trump. It was a matter of closing the borders first then have the lockdown as there are thousands of day workers coming and going between these countries. At the time, only Iran, South Korea, China were the hot spots with Italy starting to emerge as one also. Yes, Switzerland waited about a week too long to close the border with Italy and did so as soon as Austria did. If you remember, I wrote around March 9th that I had 3 clients to meet in Zurich on March 13th from Italy, which at the time Italy was not locked down yet and was showing about 45 deaths per day. I held a meeting with the company I work for on the 9th March to cancel all clients from Italy, Iran, China and South Korea until further notice, which I did, and within 2 day, Northern Italy went into lockdown followed by the whole country. It took few more days for Switzerland to close it’s borders and declare a lockdown. In my opinion, I acted before Switzerland did. What Boris and Trump did was lose time by not taking Coronavirus seriously, which but this time, Italy was already on fire to be followed by Spain and France.

I'm sorry but the MSM continuously say that Trump acted late or was too dismissive.

And yet it closed its borders to Chy-na on the 1st of February when they probably just had a handful of cases.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51338899

And again, it closes its borders to Shengen on the 9th of March.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/81819256 ... -to-a-halt

So the USA acted earlier than Italy did and it acted earlier than most of Europe.

It didn't shut their country down, and why should they. I am even undecided on whether they lock downs have gone too far.

I personally can't wait for Australia to open up again. The rest of your guys can stay closed. We don't care if your economies implode.

And again, stioll no answer to the big elephant in the room. Chy-na isolated Wuhan province on the 23rd of February and yet international flights from Wuhan continued. This is what caused the spread of Chy-na Virus. Not whether country A, B or C acted slow.

[Kikapu]

Few weeks ago there were several republican politicians in the US advocating to open the country for business despite the Coronavirus and that the elderly shouldn’t be selfish by wanting to live longer and at the same time, they claimed that they were ready to die to save the economy in the US. Well, I don’t see any of these motherfucker politicians dying yet as they are hiding in their basements. Yes, lets let the other guy die for the good of the nation, but not me is their thinking. These are the same fuckers who would remain in their foxholes after ordering the rest of the soldiers to charge forward.

We have had a couple of politicians get it in Australia.

Also, let's not forget, Boris had a really close call.

Australia is looking at opening the economy fully in a bout a month's time. There will still be restrictions, mainly on international travel but our local economy is about to start again with everyone going back to work, bars, pubs and restaurants opened and life starting to get back to normal.

What we found to have worked more than anything was closing our borders to international traffic and forcing international travelers, including our own citizens into isolation. And yet that wasn't enough because we were still importing the virus on luxury cruise ships, forcing drastic action. Passengers were not allowed to disembark. there were 2 ships in dock. Their Captains were arrested and charged and the Navy was sent out to sea to turn away with force 9 Ships who were refusing to turn around and head back to the last port of departure. We had a situation down here where cruise liners were being intercepted by Frigates and Destroyers and instructed to turn around at which point they had no choice, because if they wouldn't, they would be boarded by a military boarding party to arrest the Captain and take over the Ship.

No Shp wanted to come to Australia after that especially since P&O has been threatened with sanctions.

the results of these brutal measures are evident. If we did not do this, then its highly likely we would be on the exponential curve still.

Boris Johnson was very cavalier along with Trump on coronavirus earlier on and were against any lockdown, and as fate would have it, Boris got it also. I hope he will recovers fully, but his non actions then has caused thousands of deaths in the UK now and for that, I hold him responsible for their deaths. Now it is too little too late with the current lockdown in the UK other than saying perhaps, better late than never if it makes Boris sleep at nights.

Then explain France, Spain, Italy, Germany and even Switzerland.

Were they cavalier?

And what I don't get about these accusations of inaction against Trump and Boris. How can you criticize any world leader and not criticize WHO which was also cavalier and down played the situation. Why is WHO seemingly immune to criticism.

And why is Chy-na immune when they isolated Wuhan on the 23rd of January but allowed international travel to continue to the 4 corners of the globe under the watchful eye of WHO? And why did we all ignore Taiwan who were raising alarm bells very early on news years eve?

It's not quite logical to me Kikapu.

There is a big difference, Paphitis.

Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Austria and Switzerland did not dismiss the Coronavirus as being insignificant and were not against lockdown unlike Boris and Trump. It was a matter of closing the borders first then have the lockdown as there are thousands of day workers coming and going between these countries. At the time, only Iran, South Korea, China were the hot spots with Italy starting to emerge as one also. Yes, Switzerland waited about a week too long to close the border with Italy and did so as soon as Austria did. If you remember, I wrote around March 9th that I had 3 clients to meet in Zurich on March 13th from Italy, which at the time Italy was not locked down yet and was showing about 45 deaths per day. I held a meeting with the company I work for on the 9th March to cancel all clients from Italy, Iran, China and South Korea until further notice, which I did, and within 2 day, Northern Italy went into lockdown followed by the whole country. It took few more days for Switzerland to close it’s borders and declare a lockdown. In my opinion, I acted before Switzerland did. What Boris and Trump did was lose time by not taking Coronavirus seriously, which but this time, Italy was already on fire to be followed by Spain and France.

I'm sorry but the MSM continuously say that Trump acted late or was too dismissive.

And yet it closed its borders to Chy-na on the 1st of February when they probably just had a handful of cases.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51338899

And again, it closes its borders to Shengen on the 9th of March.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/81819256 ... -to-a-halt

So the USA acted earlier than Italy did and it acted earlier than most of Europe.

It didn't shut their country down, and why should they. I am even undecided on whether they lock downs have gone too far.

I personally can't wait for Australia to open up again. The rest of your guys can stay closed. We don't care if your economies implode.

And again, stioll no answer to the big elephant in the room. Chy-na isolated Wuhan province on the 23rd of February and yet international flights from Wuhan continued. This is what caused the spread of Chy-na Virus. Not whether country A, B or C acted slow.

I am not talking about Trump and Boris not taking actions as far as closing their borders when they did, because it seems all the countries took too long to close their borders. Perhaps because not much information was known earlier to act sooner. That is not the issue, because the damage was done already, because the coronavirus had already arrived to the US and the UK. What Trump and Boris did not do, was to implement any lockdown but instead wanted to do the opposite, despite by now Europe was starting to be on fire with the virus, so they should have expected the same to happen in the US and UK. They lost precious time, and as a result, the US is leading the virus cases and deaths and the rate the UK is going, they could easily become 2nd on the list battling with Turkey for that honour, since Erdogan too hasn’t done much in the way of lockdown. You are going to see the end result, that countries who did not act in a timely manner to have a lockdown will lead the biggest human cost to the coronavirus.

[repulsewarrior]

...definitely worth reading,

https://www.dw.com/en/did-coronavirus-r ... m_ln=21755

Did coronavirus really originate in a Chinese laboratory?

[Kikapu]

When cities open beaches such as in Florida and the people flock to them, even if they were to follow distancing with 2 meters which most do not anyway, they are too stupid to understand, that the breeze blowing onshore will carry any virus coughed or sneezed much further distance than just 2 meters. Stupid is, stupid does, which I heard somewhere!

[Get Real!]

When cities open beaches such as in Florida and the people flock to them, even if they were to follow distancing with 2 meters which most do not anyway, they are too stupid to understand, that the breeze blowing onshore will carry any virus coughed or sneezed much further distance than just 2 meters. Stupid is, stupid does, which I heard somewhere!

Elect a clown and you’ve got a circus.

[Get Real!]

Any Trump supporters here?

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[erolz66]

I'm sorry but the MSM continuously say that Trump acted late or was too dismissive.

And yet it closed its borders to Chy-na on the 1st of February when they probably just had a handful of cases.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51338899

So the USA acted earlier than Italy did and it acted earlier than most of Europe.

As a study in the kind of mania going on here from some. You quote a BBC article. The BBC article says

The US and Australia said they would deny entry to all foreign visitors who had recently been in China, where the virus first emerged in December.

Earlier, countries including Russia, Japan, Pakistan and Italy announced similar travel restrictions.

You then turn this in to the USA acted earlier than Italy - yet the article actually says exactly the opposite of what you think / claim it says. This is a form of mania imo.

[Paphitis]

Few weeks ago there were several republican politicians in the US advocating to open the country for business despite the Coronavirus and that the elderly shouldn’t be selfish by wanting to live longer and at the same time, they claimed that they were ready to die to save the economy in the US. Well, I don’t see any of these motherfucker politicians dying yet as they are hiding in their basements. Yes, lets let the other guy die for the good of the nation, but not me is their thinking. These are the same fuckers who would remain in their foxholes after ordering the rest of the soldiers to charge forward.

We have had a couple of politicians get it in Australia.

Also, let's not forget, Boris had a really close call.

Australia is looking at opening the economy fully in a bout a month's time. There will still be restrictions, mainly on international travel but our local economy is about to start again with everyone going back to work, bars, pubs and restaurants opened and life starting to get back to normal.

What we found to have worked more than anything was closing our borders to international traffic and forcing international travelers, including our own citizens into isolation. And yet that wasn't enough because we were still importing the virus on luxury cruise ships, forcing drastic action. Passengers were not allowed to disembark. there were 2 ships in dock. Their Captains were arrested and charged and the Navy was sent out to sea to turn away with force 9 Ships who were refusing to turn around and head back to the last port of departure. We had a situation down here where cruise liners were being intercepted by Frigates and Destroyers and instructed to turn around at which point they had no choice, because if they wouldn't, they would be boarded by a military boarding party to arrest the Captain and take over the Ship.

No Shp wanted to come to Australia after that especially since P&O has been threatened with sanctions.

the results of these brutal measures are evident. If we did not do this, then its highly likely we would be on the exponential curve still.

Boris Johnson was very cavalier along with Trump on coronavirus earlier on and were against any lockdown, and as fate would have it, Boris got it also. I hope he will recovers fully, but his non actions then has caused thousands of deaths in the UK now and for that, I hold him responsible for their deaths. Now it is too little too late with the current lockdown in the UK other than saying perhaps, better late than never if it makes Boris sleep at nights.

Then explain France, Spain, Italy, Germany and even Switzerland.

Were they cavalier?

And what I don't get about these accusations of inaction against Trump and Boris. How can you criticize any world leader and not criticize WHO which was also cavalier and down played the situation. Why is WHO seemingly immune to criticism.

And why is Chy-na immune when they isolated Wuhan on the 23rd of January but allowed international travel to continue to the 4 corners of the globe under the watchful eye of WHO? And why did we all ignore Taiwan who were raising alarm bells very early on news years eve?

It's not quite logical to me Kikapu.

There is a big difference, Paphitis.

Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Austria and Switzerland did not dismiss the Coronavirus as being insignificant and were not against lockdown unlike Boris and Trump. It was a matter of closing the borders first then have the lockdown as there are thousands of day workers coming and going between these countries. At the time, only Iran, South Korea, China were the hot spots with Italy starting to emerge as one also. Yes, Switzerland waited about a week too long to close the border with Italy and did so as soon as Austria did. If you remember, I wrote around March 9th that I had 3 clients to meet in Zurich on March 13th from Italy, which at the time Italy was not locked down yet and was showing about 45 deaths per day. I held a meeting with the company I work for on the 9th March to cancel all clients from Italy, Iran, China and South Korea until further notice, which I did, and within 2 day, Northern Italy went into lockdown followed by the whole country. It took few more days for Switzerland to close it’s borders and declare a lockdown. In my opinion, I acted before Switzerland did. What Boris and Trump did was lose time by not taking Coronavirus seriously, which but this time, Italy was already on fire to be followed by Spain and France.

I'm sorry but the MSM continuously say that Trump acted late or was too dismissive.

And yet it closed its borders to Chy-na on the 1st of February when they probably just had a handful of cases.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51338899

And again, it closes its borders to Shengen on the 9th of March.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/81819256 ... -to-a-halt

So the USA acted earlier than Italy did and it acted earlier than most of Europe.

It didn't shut their country down, and why should they. I am even undecided on whether they lock downs have gone too far.

I personally can't wait for Australia to open up again. The rest of your guys can stay closed. We don't care if your economies implode.

And again, stioll no answer to the big elephant in the room. Chy-na isolated Wuhan province on the 23rd of February and yet international flights from Wuhan continued. This is what caused the spread of Chy-na Virus. Not whether country A, B or C acted slow.

I am not talking about Trump and Boris not taking actions as far as closing their borders when they did, because it seems all the countries took too long to close their borders. Perhaps because not much information was known earlier to act sooner. That is not the issue, because the damage was done already, because the coronavirus had already arrived to the US and the UK. What Trump and Boris did not do, was to implement any lockdown but instead wanted to do the opposite, despite by now Europe was starting to be on fire with the virus, so they should have expected the same to happen in the US and UK. They lost precious time, and as a result, the US is leading the virus cases and deaths and the rate the UK is going, they could easily become 2nd on the list battling with Turkey for that honour, since Erdogan too hasn’t done much in the way of lockdown. You are going to see the end result, that countries who did not act in a timely manner to have a lockdown will lead the biggest human cost to the coronavirus.

That is what the media will have you believe, however the facts are different!

No MSM media outlet will tell you that:

USA Population 330 million Deaths 26,000
EU Population 440 million Deaths 80,000

The media would rather portray the opposite because they are playing politics.

[erolz66]

That is what the media will have you believe, however the facts are different!

No MSM media outlet will tell you that:

USA Population 330 million Deaths 26,000

You talk about facts yet the John Hopkins site current shows USA on 38,910 deaths.

[erolz66]

That is what the media will have you believe, however the facts are different!

No MSM media outlet will tell you that:

USA Population 330 million Deaths 26,000
EU Population 440 million Deaths 80,000

The media would rather portray the opposite because they are playing politics.

Here are the actual facts. You seem unable to understand what a fact is. Source for deaths - John Hopkins. Source for EU pop sizes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... pean_Union source for us pop size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

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