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[Kikapu]

You don’t need to be terminally ill to die from this. Take me for example…

1. Long term chain smoker.
2. Immune system issues that surfaced some two years ago.

Now, what chances do I have against such a virus? I’ll be bloody lucky to survive 3-4 days if I catch this!

I already have problems breathing properly in the Jul/Aug heat when it gets really stuffy, let alone with a virus sitting right on my lungs!

Yet, I’m not considered to have… “serious underlying issues like Cancer” …and such!

You need to stay at home totally isolated until this virus is gone, GR.

[Maximus]

You don’t need to be terminally ill to die from this. Take me for example…

1. Long term chain smoker.
2. Immune system issues that surfaced some two years ago.

Now, what chances do I have against such a virus? I’ll be bloody lucky to survive 3-4 days if I catch this!

I already have problems breathing properly in the Jul/Aug heat when it gets really stuffy, let alone with a virus sitting right on my lungs!

Yet, I’m not considered to have… “serious underlying issues like Cancer” …and such!

If you need to go on a ventilator, you have about a 25% chance of recovery.

About 20% of all confirmed cases need hospitalization and a ventilator.

it doesn't sound like you have any "serious underlying health issues" so you probably have about a 85% chance of recovering if you catch it.

As kiks says, you should remain isolated anyway and maybe this is your opportunity to address your health concerns.

Pack in the smoking, start doing some exercise and adopt a healthier eating and sleeping habits..

[cyprusgrump]

There is some evidence that smoking protects against the virus...

...I might go back to cigars...

[Get Real!]

There is some evidence that smoking protects against the virus...

...I might go back to cigars...

Come to think of it... I can’t imagine anything sane wanting to move into such polluted lung cells as mine!

[Londonrake]

You don’t need to be terminally ill to die from this. Take me for example…

1. Long term chain smoker.
2. Immune system issues that surfaced some two years ago.

Now, what chances do I have against such a virus? I’ll be bloody lucky to survive 3-4 days if I catch this!

I already have problems breathing properly in the Jul/Aug heat when it gets really stuffy, let alone with a virus sitting right on my lungs!

Yet, I’m not considered to have… “serious underlying issues like Cancer” …and such!

Your concern's understandable. You don't want to look at the Chinese stats, where about 50% of men and 5% of women are smokers and the mortality rates reflect it.

Clearly, your best bet is to tackle the isolation with grim determination.

Nobody's saying that Corona isn't a potential killer but it does seem - and media hype is playing a large part - that many who are dying with it are being reported as dying of it.

[B25]

You don’t need to be terminally ill to die from this. Take me for example…

1. Long term chain smoker.
2. Immune system issues that surfaced some two years ago.

Now, what chances do I have against such a virus? I’ll be bloody lucky to survive 3-4 days if I catch this!

I already have problems breathing properly in the Jul/Aug heat when it gets really stuffy, let alone with a virus sitting right on my lungs!

Yet, I’m not considered to have… “serious underlying issues like Cancer” …and such!

Your concern's understandable. You don't want to look at the Chinese stats, where about 50% of men and 5% of women are smokers and the mortality rates reflect it.

Clearly, your best bet is to tackle the isolation with grim determination.

Nobody's saying that Corona isn't a potential killer but it does seem - and media hype is playing a large part - that many who are dying with it are being reported as dying of it.

Let them keep reporting it, there are still too many F idiots out there not taking it seriously so maybe it might go some way to drive home to them, it is a killer.

[Kikapu]

From the mouth of non other than the BBC:

‘Is coronavirus causing the deaths?

The death figures being reported daily are hospital cases where a person dies with the coronavirus infection in their body - because it is a notifiable disease cases have to be reported.

But what the figures do not tell us is to what extent the virus is causing the death.

It could be the major cause, a contributory factor or simply present when they are dying of something else.

Most people who die with coronavirus have an underlying health condition, such as heart disease or diabetes, that may be more of a factor.

For example, an 18-year-old in Coventry tested positive for coronavirus the day before he died and was reported as its youngest victim at the time.

But the hospital subsequently released a statement saying his death had been due to a separate "significant" health condition and not connected to the virus.’

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654

In other words, the number of coronavirus deaths is being vastly overstated.

........and this is the other side of the story, Tim.

April 6 (GMT)

30331 new cases and 1255 new deaths in the United States

An estimated additional 180 - 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. "Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic," said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[miltiades]

I wonder if I would be considered as having " underlining issues" just because I happen to a diabetic and have Prostate cancer !!
It's a good job my BoReD keeps me not only healthy but young and .....virile !!

[cyprusgrump]

You don’t need to be terminally ill to die from this. Take me for example…

1. Long term chain smoker.
2. Immune system issues that surfaced some two years ago.

Now, what chances do I have against such a virus? I’ll be bloody lucky to survive 3-4 days if I catch this!

I already have problems breathing properly in the Jul/Aug heat when it gets really stuffy, let alone with a virus sitting right on my lungs!

Yet, I’m not considered to have… “serious underlying issues like Cancer” …and such!

Your concern's understandable. You don't want to look at the Chinese stats, where about 50% of men and 5% of women are smokers and the mortality rates reflect it.

Clearly, your best bet is to tackle the isolation with grim determination.

Nobody's saying that Corona isn't a potential killer but it does seem - and media hype is playing a large part - that many who are dying with it are being reported as dying of it.

This is interesting...


Beware the COVID-19 nannies!


A small extract...

Since people with underlying health conditions are most at risk of becoming critically ill with COVID-19, it would not be surprising if smoking and obesity were risk factors. A plausible hypothesis is not enough, however, and there is remarkably little evidence that smokers and the overweight are suffering more than anyone else. Only the morbidly obese are significantly over-represented in Britain’s coronavirus wards while smokers are conspicuously under-represented in both China and the USA. An evidence review published three weeks ago found no association between smoking and the severity of COVID-19.

This is a rapidly evolving field of research and the results may change over time, but evidence from the 13 studies published to date ‘does not support the argument that current smoking is a risk factor for hospitalization for COVID-19’. On the contrary, it ‘raises the hypothesis that nicotine may have beneficial effects on COVID-19.’

Taken as a whole, the evidence on smoking and COVID-19 does not point in the direction the ‘public health’ lobby would like it to. And so they have ignored it, focusing instead on a single study which reported a monstrously high 14-fold increase in risk for smokers who contract the disease. The study only looked at five smokers and is an obvious outlier, but it has been treated as definitive proof by activists around the world. Public Health England, which is under fire for its weak response to the pandemic, retreated to its comfort zone last week, telling smokers that they are ‘at greater risk of developing severe disease from the COVID-19 virus’ and that there ‘has never been a more important time to stop smoking.’ The only evidence cited by the agency was ‘a small but highly impactful survey from China’ which found that ‘smokers with COVID-19 are 14 times more likely to develop severe disease.’

Worth a full read...

[CrookedRiverGuy]

This is interesting...

Beware the COVID-19 nannies!

A small extract...

You're not trying to fool GR out in contaminated air, are you?

The article was indeed thought provoking. In particular this sentence

Turning this baseless speculation into implicit fact, he added that ‘we don’t know if that’s the only cause.’

Such rhetoric is so much used...


My country had most of its contamination from Austria in the first phase. These were skiers, in general quite fit people. Still some of them were reported as being extremely sick, despite being non-smokers and exercising 4-5 times a week.