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[Lordo]

And just for everyone's info, I am extremely pro vaccination.

but I do understand that the vaccines will not kill COVID, and it will not elliminate death. and in some cases, will cause more death than COVID ever will in some countries.

One such country, is Australia.

I am lost for words which does not happen often.

[Kikapu]

Well, United Airlines is joining other corporations in demanding their employees to be vaccinated. Hardly a surprise really.

United Airlines to require U.S. employees get vaccinated against COVID-19

AUGUST 6, 2021 / 9:28 AM / CBS/AP

United Airlines will require its 67,000 employees in the U.S. to be vaccinated against COVID-19 by late October, or perhaps even sooner if the Food and Drug Administration soon grants full approval to any one vaccine. The airline is joining a growing number of big corporations that are responding to a surge in virus cases.


United leaders called it a matter of safety and cited "incredibly compelling" evidence of the effectiveness of the vaccines. Tyson Foods this week said it is requiring its entire U.S. workforce of more than 139,000 to get vaccinated against COVID-19, while other companies are requiring masks while in offices or delaying the return to the workplace entirely.

"We know some of you will disagree with this decision to require the vaccine for all United employees," CEO Scott Kirby and President Brett Hart told employees Friday. But, they added, "the facts are crystal clear: everyone is safer when everyone is vaccinated."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-air ... quirement/

[Paphitis]

And just for everyone's info, I am extremely pro vaccination.

but I do understand that the vaccines will not kill COVID, and it will not elliminate death. and in some cases, will cause more death than COVID ever will in some countries.

One such country, is Australia.

I am lost for words which does not happen often.

Sorry but that's a perfectly valid statement.

The vaccine will not prevent death and here in Australia, the Government has modelling from the experts that confirm this accodring to their modelling calculations.

And yes, it has also been confirmed that as a country, Australia will have more death even with a completely vaccinated population of 80% or more and the modelling sugests that there will be 1387 deaths in a 12 month period.

That's with 80% vaccinated and a completely open economy and with some border restrictions still in place.

That is MORE death than Australia has had with Covid and no vaccine.

The modelling was done by The Doherty Institute.

What they are saying and preparing people for is the inevitability of death of some people, and sugesting the country is going to have to live with it and people need to accept it too - that people will die like they always have done with Influenza even and the country has to open up and people will need to live with COVID.

Most logical people understand what the AUSGOV are up to. They are vaccinating people and they plan to fully open up by at least March next yeear and if possible by Christmas this year. Assuming people cooperate and achieve at least 70% vaccination level, where the death rate will be 2000 for a 12 month period.

[Paphitis]

Well, United Airlines is joining other corporations in demanding their employees to be vaccinated. Hardly a surprise really.

United Airlines to require U.S. employees get vaccinated against COVID-19

AUGUST 6, 2021 / 9:28 AM / CBS/AP

United Airlines will require its 67,000 employees in the U.S. to be vaccinated against COVID-19 by late October, or perhaps even sooner if the Food and Drug Administration soon grants full approval to any one vaccine. The airline is joining a growing number of big corporations that are responding to a surge in virus cases.


United leaders called it a matter of safety and cited "incredibly compelling" evidence of the effectiveness of the vaccines. Tyson Foods this week said it is requiring its entire U.S. workforce of more than 139,000 to get vaccinated against COVID-19, while other companies are requiring masks while in offices or delaying the return to the workplace entirely.

"We know some of you will disagree with this decision to require the vaccine for all United employees," CEO Scott Kirby and President Brett Hart told employees Friday. But, they added, "the facts are crystal clear: everyone is safer when everyone is vaccinated."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-air ... quirement/

I have no doubt airlines will mandate vaccines for Flight Crew.

Most Flight Crew will vaccinate anyway. I reckon the uptake must be 99%. Half of us are ex service anyway and I mean, we had needles stuck into us virtually dozens times each year. So, not as if we aren’t already use to it. By rights, we should have grown a third testicle by now.

But when Morrison had his presser yesterday, he said Australia will not make vaccination mandatory. He actually said businesses will need to make their own minds up whether they will lock out unvaccinated workers or customers. He also said that they run the risk of violating anti discrimination laws. In other words, feel free to do what you want, but also know you can be challenged by people and head to the courts and face the letter of the law and from there, judges can only hold up the grievance in accordance with their interpretation of discrimination laws.

So it’s not cut and dry.

It’s the same thing with United. Yes they can do that, but what happens when they have to front a US Federal Court on whether their action is conforming to the US Constitution or some other US Laws with regards to discrimination, unfair dismissal, etc etc. I mean these laws are serious. You can’t discrimate on the basis of race, religion, gender (all 100 of them), political beliefs, sexuality etc etc

You probably won’t get this type of action from pilots. We generally love our jobs. And we are loyal to our companies too and proud to work for them. Criticize our employer is like criticizing our family. We don’t like it. Only we think we have a right to criticize them. And we are probably the most tolerant industry there is on virtually everything under the sun.

So you can imagine, in a company like United, the workforce feels like they own the company. They are a part of something big. So when UA say “get vaccinated” most people say “yes Sir”!

We pilots are also a very clever bunch and we think laterally. Like when we have 2 family doctors. One for our medicals which we lie through our teeth to, and the other family doctor we go to whenever we need to see them when we get the flu. And when we go to our Aviation Doctor and are asked, have you ever had the flu or taken any drugs or prescription medicine, we say “of course not Doc! I’m fit as a fiddle. Never been sick in years”! Now that’s behaviour I don’t do. I’m always honest!

Point is, it’s not going to take much for an anti Vaxxer pilot to get a doctor to say they’ve been vaccinated. And toss the Pfizer vile in the bin and get the certificate. And if you think that won’t be taking place, then it’s delusional.

The problems will occur from people who hate their bosses and hate their jobs. Someone with a chip on their shoulder that will go out to prove a point.

[Paphitis]

You see that’s the thing with most people. They just want to cause issues.

My advice to someone who is a vaccine denier, is to understand the repercussions of your decision.

And to always remember that there is always many ways to skin a cat. Where there are humans, you can also guarantee human fallibility and corruption.

Just don’t martyr yourselves or allow any smart ass make fun of you. It’s no one’s business other than your own.

And in Australia, you can find hundreds of doctors who will give you the certificate.

In fact, that’s probably what you should do so the country can open up.

And no one should lose their job anyway based on their choice of what they allow to penetrate their bodies,
Whether it’s a sex organ or needle.

Just be smart people. And don’t create waves. And also understand COVID is serious and can still kill you so if you are not vaccinated, you should take other measures to reduce your chances of getting it. You probably will still need to take those measures when vaccinated. I still behave like that and I’ve had my first dose.

[repulsewarrior]

Is natural immunity better than vaccination?

...the answer is not so black and white.

A very interesting presentation, with lots of information; hard to follow because you must really pay attention to absorb everything presented.

...masks, as intrusive as they are to our lives, work.

[Londonrake]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... dies-covid

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[Lordo]

Perhaps he has got a god after all. and as he has done so well for his god, he has been called into heaven early with 72 virgins waiting for him. But hang on a moment he was not a muslim so perhaps he will get 72 old nuns instead.

[Kikapu]

We will see tonight how it will work out at the restaurant regarding the new laws in France in showing our Covid vaccination certificates to be seated if it holds more than 50 people.

As for our canoeing experience on the River Ardèche yesterday, we had a great day of 32km (not 34km) minus 200 meters, which was spent in the water after 2 capsizes at two difficult rapids. One of the capsizes took place at a nudist section of the river. No, I was not distracted for the reason for the capsize.

They were actually on hand to help all those who capsized to retrieve their canoes and paddles.

But since last night, our bodies are tired, sore and aching muscles.

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[Lordo]

We will see tonight how it will work out at the restaurant regarding the new laws in France in showing our Covid vaccination certificates to be seated if it holds more than 50 people.

As for our canoeing experience on the River Ardèche yesterday, we had a great day of 32km (not 34km) minus 200 meters, which was spent in the water after 2 capsizes at two difficult rapids. One of the capsizes took place at a nudist section of the river. No, I was not distracted for the reason for the capsize.

They were actually on hand to help all those who capsized to retrieve their canoes and paddles.

But since last night, our bodies are tired, sore and aching muscles.

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Don't go to Germany what ever you do. You will have a car crashs on their motorways.