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[Lordo]

I got to say this though Kikapu. America’s FAA are quite marvellous. That is a regulator that actually makes an effort to support people and the industry. A lot of people frown on the Yanks but let me tell you, they got their dicks in a row.

Yes there are citizens who just blindly follow Government dictates. It’s pretty dam sad.

Really?

But you know, it is the conservative government who often try to break up the unions and not Labour.

Do not sugar coat it. They do not try, they actually do. They destroyed the mining industry becasue they wanted to destroy the Miners Union and quite a few other industries for the same treatment because the unions involoved there.

[Paphitis]

I got to say this though Kikapu. America’s FAA are quite marvellous. That is a regulator that actually makes an effort to support people and the industry. A lot of people frown on the Yanks but let me tell you, they got their dicks in a row.

Yes there are citizens who just blindly follow Government dictates. It’s pretty dam sad.

Really?

But you know, it is the conservative government who often try to break up the unions and not Labour.

Ducks.

Yes normally, but the history in the last 10 to 20 years has been the opposite.

During the pilot industrial action of the early 90s, it was Labor that did the dirty and I'm not exagerating. They did everything to bust the industrial dispute. RAAF pilots were bought in to take over and they bought in thousands of American pilots to replace Aussie union members. For wa while, most of our pilots had American accents.

The Aussies left for Abroad - Middle East, Asia, North America, Japan, and in some cases into European Airlines, and many never came back.

Back then, AFAP got a lot of support from the conservative opposition - maybe this was the politically opportunistic thing go do at the time. But that alliance seems to continue to this day.

AFAP boards just can't stomach going into any alliance with Labor because they were even trying to bankrupt AFAP for years after the dispute through relelentless legal action after legal action.

I can tell you that whenever someome from Labor tries to get on the boards, the other board members close ranks and try and get rid of the imposter.

There is an amazing relationship with the National Farmers Union, and the Australian National Party as well which they donate money to, as well as the Liberal Party.

Very hard to make friends at AFAP if you mention Labor. very difficult...

So, AFAP withdrew from the Trade Unions Council and went it alone. Mind you, they are not the only Union to have left the Trade Union Council (Labor). There are a couple more. Mining Council might be one of them actually because the Conservatives have been the most supportive of the resources sector.

Sop depite the generalisations, there are some Unions that are very much in bed with Conservative Parties in Australia. As far as AFAP is concerned, that was a fallout from the 1990s industrial dispute. The National farmers are in bed with the Australian National Party who are in coalition with the Conservatives. And AFAP have developed a relationship with the same political parties, including the National Australia Party because of the previous Minister of Aviation which was put on Cabinet by the Coalition and actually came from AFAP.

And that is where the alliances have remained ever since I'm afraid.

[Paphitis]

I got to say this though Kikapu. America’s FAA are quite marvellous. That is a regulator that actually makes an effort to support people and the industry. A lot of people frown on the Yanks but let me tell you, they got their dicks in a row.

Yes there are citizens who just blindly follow Government dictates. It’s pretty dam sad.

Really?

But you know, it is the conservative government who often try to break up the unions and not Labour.

Do not sugar coat it. They do not try, they actually do. They destroyed the mining industry becasue they wanted to destroy the Miners Union and quite a few other industries for the same treatment because the unions involoved there.

There is a very big misconception that the Unions are anti Corporates to favour the workforce.

It is true they support the workforce, but there is a collaboration between Unions and Employers. 99% there is a lot of cooperation and support which goes both ways. Unions are better off maintain great channels of communication.

So when Governments attack the sector, quite often Unions and Corporates are very much on the same side. A bit like a team. It's actually very rare for industrial disputes as most of the time things are negotiated for all parties. And generally, they try to avoid the worst.

When left parties attack the resources industry for instanmce - coal, gas, oil, gold, silver, copper, uranium, and lithium plus others, generally speaking the Miners Union takes the side of the industry because oif the Paris Agreement nazis get in, their members lose jobs.

[Paphitis]

The other thing is this: aviation is an extremely tight knit group generally - very team focused and there is a lot of comraderie generally speaking of course.

And even in the old days when AFAP was part of Trade Hall, AFAP did have among its membership pilots from extremely diverse backgrounds, such as many ex ADF, and also agricultural crop dusters and sprayers.

Now Agricultural Flying is a very dangerous form of Aviation, and dangerous, and well paid. A lot of these guys, we part of farming families as well. So parents were farmers going back generations as well. Anything from wheat, barley, cotton, and sugar cane.

Also, some musterers as well.

These guys are and have always been conservative voters, and because there were a few thousand of these guys, they had a powerful voting block among themselves.

But AFAP remained in Trade Hall till the Pilot Dispute. After that, the catalysts was there to jump ship and it's very interesting how they not only did that, but an alliance was formed with The Australian National Party - Farmers.

The Australian National Party are in coalition with The Australian Liberal Party (which is our version of conservatives in Australia).

The Australian Liberal Party and Australian National Party are in power here in Australia today.

Scott Morrisdon is Australia's PM - Libeal Party.
Barnaby Joice (A farmer) - is Australia's Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the Australian National Party. Both these parties are conservative, but the National Party is a lot more conservative than the Liberal party which has a mixture of conservatism and liberalism.

The Coalition between the Liberal Party and National Party - are referred to as "The Coalition"

[Lordo]

The other thing is this: aviation is an extremely tight knit group generally - very team focused and there is a lot of comraderie generally speaking of course.

And even in the old days when AFAP was part of Trade Hall, AFAP did have among its membership pilots from extremely diverse backgrounds, such as many ex ADF, and also agricultural crop dusters and sprayers.

Now Agricultural Flying is a very dangerous form of Aviation, and dangerous, and well paid. A lot of these guys, we part of farming families as well. So parents were farmers going back generations as well. Anything from wheat, barley, cotton, and sugar cane.

Also, some musterers as well.

These guys are and have always been conservative voters, and because there were a few thousand of these guys, they had a powerful voting block among themselves.

But AFAP remained in Trade Hall till the Pilot Dispute. After that, the catalysts was there to jump ship and it's very interesting how they not only did that, but an alliance was formed with The Australian National Party - Farmers.

The Australian National Party are in coalition with The Australian Liberal Party (which is our version of conservatives in Australia).

The Australian Liberal Party and Australian National Party are in power here in Australia today.

Scott Morrisdon is Australia's PM - Libeal Party.
Barnaby Joice (A farmer) - is Australia's Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the Australian National Party. Both these parties are conservative, but the National Party is a lot more conservative than the Liberal party which has a mixture of conservatism and liberalism.

The Coalition between the Liberal Party and National Party - are referred to as "The Coalition"

Don't make me luagh. aviation my left foot.

[Paphitis]

The other thing is this: aviation is an extremely tight knit group generally - very team focused and there is a lot of comraderie generally speaking of course.

And even in the old days when AFAP was part of Trade Hall, AFAP did have among its membership pilots from extremely diverse backgrounds, such as many ex ADF, and also agricultural crop dusters and sprayers.

Now Agricultural Flying is a very dangerous form of Aviation, and dangerous, and well paid. A lot of these guys, we part of farming families as well. So parents were farmers going back generations as well. Anything from wheat, barley, cotton, and sugar cane.

Also, some musterers as well.

These guys are and have always been conservative voters, and because there were a few thousand of these guys, they had a powerful voting block among themselves.

But AFAP remained in Trade Hall till the Pilot Dispute. After that, the catalysts was there to jump ship and it's very interesting how they not only did that, but an alliance was formed with The Australian National Party - Farmers.

The Australian National Party are in coalition with The Australian Liberal Party (which is our version of conservatives in Australia).

The Australian Liberal Party and Australian National Party are in power here in Australia today.

Scott Morrisdon is Australia's PM - Libeal Party.
Barnaby Joice (A farmer) - is Australia's Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the Australian National Party. Both these parties are conservative, but the National Party is a lot more conservative than the Liberal party which has a mixture of conservatism and liberalism.

The Coalition between the Liberal Party and National Party - are referred to as "The Coalition"

Don't make me luagh. aviation my left foot.

That's your issue.

I have a lot of inside knowledge of AFAP and have been a paid up member for the last 13 years.

13 years ago we were still recovering as we just managed to buy our head office in Melbourne. now we have buildings and club rooms in Melbourne, Sydney, and Brisbane and a great legal team who represent our members in all kinds of incidents/accidents and also industrial disputes and human resources.

[repulsewarrior]

...for the record; Biden speaks.

[Lordo]

What a difference it makes to have somebody who cares.

[Paphitis]

What a difference it makes to have somebody who cares.

cares? is that what you call it.

he calls for Local Government to hand out $100 for vaccine recipients to encourage uptake of the vaccine. Something he knows Local Government wilkl not do.

If he cared, he would hand out the $100 from treasury. But he won't do that will he? So how much does he care.

Put it this way. I doubt America cares about anyone who refuses the vaccine. they are opening, and whoever dies will die. In other words, they don't give a rats ass.

And pretty much every country is in that boat.

In Australia, once everyone is vaccinated leaving only the deniers who refuse vaccination, they will open up everything. If they die, they die. Harsh yes, but at the end of the day, people are responsible for their own actions. It's not the Governments responsibility to try and remedy stupidity.

Lock downs will only persist whilst people are lining up for the vaccine. We got a long way to go here in Australia in terms of vaccinations because of the Pfizer supply issues. But when we are at a point where everyone who wants a vaccination, actually gets a vaccination, then they are going to "let it rip".

[Lordo]

What a difference it makes to have somebody who cares.

cares? is that what you call it.

he calls for Local Government to hand out $100 for vaccine recipients to encourage uptake of the vaccine. Something he knows Local Government wilkl not do.

If he cared, he would hand out the $100 from treasury. But he won't do that will he? So how much does he care.

Put it this way. I doubt America cares about anyone who refuses the vaccine. they are opening, and whoever dies will die. In other words, they don't give a rats ass.

And pretty much every country is in that boat.

In Australia, once everyone is vaccinated leaving only the deniers who refuse vaccination, they will open up everything. If they die, they die. Harsh yes, but at the end of the day, people are responsible for their own actions. It's not the Governments responsibility to try and remedy stupidity.

Lock downs will only persist whilst people are lining up for the vaccine. We got a long way to go here in Australia in terms of vaccinations because of the Pfizer supply issues. But when we are at a point where everyone who wants a vaccination, actually gets a vaccination, then they are going to "let it rip".

You stupid cunt of course it matters. if only they were affected let them die but there those who as yet not been vaccinated and are in very serious danger. They should be charged for deliberately spreading the virus and lock up in a cell. Now there they cannot infect anybody else.