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[erolz66]

We are literally very far from a tragedy with 20 to 30 community cases a day.

The B737 MAXI will also be flying within the next few days as well.

Forgive me if I do not share your belief in your powers of prediction.

[Londonrake]

...it is worth noting, i suppose, that where the vaccine has been introduced in significant quantities, 90% of new infections treated at hospitals are un-vaccinated patients.

These kind of snapshop stats, taken out of their context and without the application of thought are in fact dangerous.

How so I hear you ask ? Well I will show you.

In the UK last week people died in road traffic accidents. And some of the were WEARING SEAT BELTS !! In fact the MAJORITY of those that died in road traffic accidents in the UK last week were wearing seat belts.

So now along comes a twat, lets say for arguments sake an Australian twat. They will think and then go around proclaiming - the evidence shows seat belts DO NOT WORK. We should NOT use seat belts. Why does the government tell us how many people died in rtas but not tell us how many of those were wearing seat belts and how many were not ? What are they trying to hide ?

See where such stats and a bit of twatery can lead ? That is exactly what we have seen here from our resident twat.

I agree. It’s quite clear from the data that you’re far less likely to be involved in an RTA if you’re drunk than sober.

[Paphitis]

We are literally very far from a tragedy with 20 to 30 community cases a day.

The B737 MAXI will also be flying within the next few days as well.

Forgive me if I do not share your belief in your powers of prediction.

You do not live in Australia.

We who do, understand very well what our Government does to us, quite often causing much grief and pain.

We make a lot of noise down here abd make the international news feeds because of all the noise. The entire world probably thinks we are an odd country.

I’ll give you an example.

In South Australia, a few days ago, we had 1 mine worker who tested positive. He did the right thing and presented himself as soon as possible. The city of Adelaide was going to be placed in lock down over 1 case. That 1 case ended up being 5 cases, all members of the same family which was the only thing that saved Adelaide from Lockdown. Population of Adelaide is 1.35 million.

Sydney went into lockdown as soon as they detected a few cases. It started off as a 3 day lock down. Then it was upgraded to a 14 day lock down because they have been getting more cases.

The lock down as of today is indefinite. In other words, Sydney doesn’t come out of lock down till there is zero transmission.

That’s the strategy here. It’s always been the same strategy.

So you can be as unconfident as you like. Fact is, we have extremely strict measures here. And the curve has plateaued. It isn’t exponential as it stands today. And Australia has the best track record in the world with regard to this.

In all likelihood, Sydney should be out of lock down in about 2 to 3 weeks.

People are not allowed to go shopping. Only for essential supplies, and only 1 person per household. You are not allowed to have visitors. No barbecues. No holidays and certainly no international travel.

You can’t just go out to a bar for a drink. Weddings and funerals are capped to 10 people.

So many restrictions. Awful restrictions.

[Paphitis]

Cyprus is pushing 1000 new infections a day with high vaccination levels.

Our government is full of shit!

First they boast of having vaccinated around 600,000 people, then they subsidize summer holidays, meanwhile infections soar, and then they claim that the vast majority of infections are from the few non-vaccinated... who get no holiday, can't go here, can't go there!

This is not making any sense!

I hope I’m wrong but the global data seems to be painting a very dire picture.

I am very suss that the vaccines, and I mean all of them, are a lot less effective than the Pharma companies initially claimed. In other words, even if 100% are vaccinated, transmission levels will still be high and that roughly we will have just as much death.

However, there is another aspect to this. I remember fondly the claims of the Swedish Head Epidemiologist who said that new strains of Covid will evolve from the original strain. Proven to be correct. But what was striking was the fact he also said the new strains will be less deadly but more contagious. This is exactly what we are seeing.

So if we are seeing as many new infections from the new strain or more but with slightly fewer deaths, these vaccines have achieved nothing but make a few big Pharma companies even more wealthy.

Time will of course tell but from what I can see, the early signs in Cyprus and Israel are NOT good.

The Cyprus Government should lock down. Shut the beaches and Agia Napa down. And close its borders to everyone. You got to stop the spread. 1000 new cases, is so high.

I know you guys need the tourist dollar but it isn’t worth dieing for.

[Londonrake]

Covid vaccines do work well in clinically vulnerable https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57781073

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[Lordo]

The fact that vast majority of the people who die from covid in hospitals are not vaccinated is proof enough. We are getting there despite our lunatic PM.

Once we put our trust in our NHS, thungs begun to improve. The problem was when they brought in corporation and put dido harding in charge as well as al lthe contracts they gave toi their donors and friends is what cost us 300 bilion pounds.

[erolz66]

However, there is another aspect to this. I remember fondly the claims of the Swedish Head Epidemiologist who said that new strains of Covid will evolve from the original strain. Proven to be correct. But what was striking was the fact he also said the new strains will be less deadly but more contagious. This is exactly what we are seeing.

So if we are seeing as many new infections from the new strain or more but with slightly fewer deaths, these vaccines have achieved nothing but make a few big Pharma companies even more wealthy.

That is the statistical average progression of most viruses most of the time over decades and centuries but in the case of covid we are not interested in what most virus do most of the time. We are interested in what THIS virus is going to do right now. Now if you had any interest in the truth, rather than just looking for anything that can support what your want to be true and make you feel clever, then you would ask yourself questions like 'how could I test / check if the reduction in deaths in the UK relative to number of new cases is because the delta variant is less deadly whilst being more virulent or is it as deadly but the vaccines are providing some degree of protection' ? The 'check' would be easy to come up with. Just look at countries where the delta variant is dominant as it is in the UK and new cases are surging but that has not vaccinated a significant % of the population like the UK has. If in these countries the ratio of deaths to new cases is similar to previous spikes from previous variants, then vaccination is having a material effect and if the ratio is massively lower like it is in the UK even though the number of cases is similar to previous outbreaks then the opposite conclusion can be drawn.

But you do not ask such question or have any interests in such 'checks'. You have no need to at all. You know what is right without any such effort or work because you are Paphitis. You just see a way to make out 'you were right all along' regardless of what the actual reality might be and that is good enough for you. Which is why you end up being so badly wrong so much of the time and I consider you a twat. Understanding takes time and effort. You have no interest in such burdens or in what the actual reality is. All you care about is being right or trying to find a way to make out you are right even when you are totally wrong. That is why you never need to test or check or self challenge any idea you come up with and why you are a twat.

[Paphitis]

However, there is another aspect to this. I remember fondly the claims of the Swedish Head Epidemiologist who said that new strains of Covid will evolve from the original strain. Proven to be correct. But what was striking was the fact he also said the new strains will be less deadly but more contagious. This is exactly what we are seeing.

So if we are seeing as many new infections from the new strain or more but with slightly fewer deaths, these vaccines have achieved nothing but make a few big Pharma companies even more wealthy.

That is the statistical average progression of most viruses most of the time over decades and centuries but in the case of covid we are not interested in what most virus do most of the time. We are interested in what THIS virus is going to do right now. Now if you had any interest in the truth, rather than just looking for anything that can support what your want to be true and make you feel clever, then you would ask yourself questions like 'how could I test / check if the reduction in deaths in the UK relative to number of new cases is because the delta variant is less deadly whilst being more virulent or is it as deadly but the vaccines are providing some degree of protection' ? The 'check' would be easy to come up with. Just look at countries where the delta variant is dominant as it is in the UK and new cases are surging but that has not vaccinated a significant % of the population like the UK has. If in these countries the ratio of deaths to new cases is similar to previous spikes from previous variants, then vaccination is having a material effect and if the ratio is massively lower like it is in the UK even though the number of cases is similar to previous outbreaks then the opposite conclusion can be drawn.

But you do not ask such question or have any interests in such 'checks'. You have no need to at all. You know what is right without any such effort or work because you are Paphitis. You just see a way to make out 'you were right all along' regardless of what the actual reality might be and that is good enough for you. Which is why you end up being so badly wrong so much of the time and I consider you a twat. Understanding takes time and effort. You have no interest in such burdens or in what the actual reality is. All you care about is being right or trying to find a way to make out you are right even when you are totally wrong. That is why you never need to test or check or self challenge any idea you come up with and why you are a twat.

We don’t care what YOUR statistical average is. We have our own statistical average here in Australia and that is the statistical averages the Australian Government has in mind. Also the fact that our lockdowns are truly lockdowns with police on the streets that can be right royal arseholes and lack any nuance or sense of humour. Australia atm is an Authoritarian State. It’s almost like a dictatorship with a benevolent leadership that can control every aspect of our lives, all in the public’s safety interest they would tell us every hour of every day.

If you don’t comply, the law bears down with force if necessary.

We only have that reality to see with our own eyes. Not your reality in Europe or US or Asia.

And our authorities are arrogant too. There is no doubt that they look down upon all of you. Like you are all stupid. Look down on the EU, UK, US and others and they tell us we are not like them or you and that we are by far better than you, smarter than you, have better health care than you, better hospitals than you and that because the crackdowns have been tough, we have led better lives and lifestyles than you.

It’s no doubt that the Australian and Kiwi measures have worked resoundingly.

So no, there is no urgency down under with vaccines and we are approaching it very cautiously and want to make the best decisions and are approaching it very systematically. We are not on a knife edge. We are not imploding in a sea of Covid. All we have is 40 odd community cases a day resulting in a lock down of a major international city - our beautiful gem Sydney.

The authorities will control it. In fact already have it well and truly under control because of their very quick actions and restrictions. Once again, the strategy is Elimination. We have seen this before and we have defeated Covid before and the same thing will happen here too.

This is one of few countries that can isolate parts from the rest. Right now, no one can get in our out unless you are an essential or approved worker.

That’s it.

[Kikapu]

However, there is another aspect to this. I remember fondly the claims of the Swedish Head Epidemiologist who said that new strains of Covid will evolve from the original strain. Proven to be correct. But what was striking was the fact he also said the new strains will be less deadly but more contagious. This is exactly what we are seeing.

So if we are seeing as many new infections from the new strain or more but with slightly fewer deaths, these vaccines have achieved nothing but make a few big Pharma companies even more wealthy.

That is the statistical average progression of most viruses most of the time over decades and centuries but in the case of covid we are not interested in what most virus do most of the time. We are interested in what THIS virus is going to do right now. Now if you had any interest in the truth, rather than just looking for anything that can support what your want to be true and make you feel clever, then you would ask yourself questions like 'how could I test / check if the reduction in deaths in the UK relative to number of new cases is because the delta variant is less deadly whilst being more virulent or is it as deadly but the vaccines are providing some degree of protection' ? The 'check' would be easy to come up with. Just look at countries where the delta variant is dominant as it is in the UK and new cases are surging but that has not vaccinated a significant % of the population like the UK has. If in these countries the ratio of deaths to new cases is similar to previous spikes from previous variants, then vaccination is having a material effect and if the ratio is massively lower like it is in the UK even though the number of cases is similar to previous outbreaks then the opposite conclusion can be drawn.

But you do not ask such question or have any interests in such 'checks'. You have no need to at all. You know what is right without any such effort or work because you are Paphitis. You just see a way to make out 'you were right all along' regardless of what the actual reality might be and that is good enough for you. Which is why you end up being so badly wrong so much of the time and I consider you a twat. Understanding takes time and effort. You have no interest in such burdens or in what the actual reality is. All you care about is being right or trying to find a way to make out you are right even when you are totally wrong. That is why you never need to test or check or self challenge any idea you come up with and why you are a twat.

We don’t care what YOUR statistical average is. We have our own statistical average here in Australia and that is the statistical averages the Australian Government has in mind. Also the fact that our lockdowns are truly lockdowns with police on the streets that can be right royal arseholes and lack any nuance or sense of humour. Australia atm is an Authoritarian State. It’s almost like a dictatorship with a benevolent leadership that can control every aspect of our lives, all in the public’s safety interest they would tell us every hour of every day.

If you don’t comply, the law bears down with force if necessary.

We only have that reality to see with our own eyes. Not your reality in Europe or US or Asia.

And our authorities are arrogant too. There is no doubt that they look down upon all of you. Like you are all stupid. Look down on the EU, UK, US and others and they tell us we are not like them or you and that we are by far better than you, smarter than you, have better health care than you, better hospitals than you and that because the crackdowns have been tough, we have led better lives and lifestyles than you.

It’s no doubt that the Australian and Kiwi measures have worked resoundingly.

So no, there is no urgency down under with vaccines and we are approaching it very cautiously and want to make the best decisions and are approaching it very systematically. We are not on a knife edge. We are not imploding in a sea of Covid. All we have is 40 odd community cases a day resulting in a lock down of a major international city - our beautiful gem Sydney.

The authorities will control it. In fact already have it well and truly under control because of their very quick actions and restrictions. Once again, the strategy is Elimination. We have seen this before and we have defeated Covid before and the same thing will happen here too.

This is one of few countries that can isolate parts from the rest. Right now, no one can get in our out unless you are an essential or approved worker.

That’s it.

Since Covid is not fully defeated in Australia and most probably can’t be despite with all their stringent measures, which tends to keep on coming back, albeit in small numbers and with a very draconian response by the government, then the Aussies must accept that this is their foreseeable future and the life they once knew will be no longer going into the future. Not only there won’t be opening of their borders to international travels, but often severe lockdowns between states and cities. It most probably means I will never see my friends there ever again. Once you and your family leave for the US, you will be lucky if you can ever return back down-under again.

[erolz66]

We are not on a knife edge.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/austral ... tml#p52gil

Victoria’s COVID commander Jeroen Weimar has said that any Victorian who is still in NSW “should have left already”, and the situation with the state borders is on the “edge of a razor”. NSW has recorded 50 new cases of coronavirus; 26 of which were infectious in the community. “We have no wish of course to extend any further actions but when you’ve got, what, over 500 now cases in the Greater Sydney area, that’s a very high viral load,” Mr Weimar said.

You do know who you sound like right now don't you Paphitis ?

The infection seems to have gone down over the last two days, we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time.

To date US deaths from covid 606,988