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[erolz66]

Yes it has banned vaccines for under 16s. And it's an indefinate ban.

Banning a vaccine for a certain age group is not the same thing as not having approved it for such use. You are clearly too stupid to comprehend the difference. You might as well say that Australia initially banned the use of any vaccine on anyone and then changed their mind when they did start approving such vaccines for certain categories. You could say that but it would just show what a twat you were if you did.

The most trusted source is ATAGI and TGA. These guys are playing hardball and thinking about long term effects.

Your are so stupid and arrogant. Shall we look at what these 'highly trusted' Australian bodies have ACTUALLY said, direct from their own websites and reports and compare it with what you keep claiming ?

From the TGA's (the TGA is part of the Australian government department of health by the way - that is it IS 'government'.) COVID-19 vaccine weekly safety report - 01-07-2021

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-1 ... 01-07-2021

Vaccination against COVID-19 is the single most effective way to reduce severe illness and death from infection.

That is what your trusted TGA says at the top of its WEEKLY safety report. Having comprehension problems are we ?

[erolz66]

Their experience put the efficacy rate of pfizer at about 93%...

Sounds more like the BOLLOCKS rate, as agreed by governments and pharma industry.

This Pfizer shit seems to have polluted your brain and have gradually morphed into the biggest twat of them all!

Explain this

uk-inf-vs-death.JPG

All you have, like a parrot is the numbers are lies. That is it. Yet the same numbers are coming from so many different places government and non government, that for them to be lies, as you claim, would be a global conspiracy invovling 100's of thousands of individuals where not one has 'blown the whistle' yet. Fucking absurd.

Explain this...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/cyprus/

You want me to explain why when the rate of infections seen currently in Cyprus is at similar levels to before any of the population there was vaccinated the levels of hospitalisations and death are now significantly lower now portions of the population have been vaccinated ? Is that what you want me to explain ? Just as has been seen in the UK, the US, Israel and countless other places ? Fuckwit.

[erolz66]

It's obvious!

Everyday, we get the stats for new infections and daily deaths in a nice neat little website. Informative.

they do that but they don't tellus the full story. we here how many vaccinations there are, but not how many o them are getting COVID and how many don't make it.

Why? It should be easy o do but they don't do it.

they are only giving out what they want us to know...

I do not know how to get this in to your fucking head. What an efficacy rate of 90% + re hospitalisation and death of a given vaccine means, what it IS, how it is calculated and derived, is how many people out of a given number who have died from covid have been vaccinated with that given vaccine. If the efficacy of a given vaccine is 90% vs death, then that means out of 100 deaths , then on average ten of them would be people who have been vaccinated and 90 would be people who have not. You have the numbers. You are just too fucking stupid to understand them.

[Paphitis]

It's obvious!

Everyday, we get the stats for new infections and daily deaths in a nice neat little website. Informative.

they do that but they don't tellus the full story. we here how many vaccinations there are, but not how many o them are getting COVID and how many don't make it.

Why? It should be easy o do but they don't do it.

they are only giving out what they want us to know...

I do not know how to get this in to your fucking head. What an efficacy rate of 90% + re hospitalisation and death of a given vaccine means, what it IS, how it is calculated and derived, is how many people out of a given number who have died from covid have been vaccinated with that given vaccine. If the efficacy of a given vaccine is 90% vs death, then that means out of 100 deaths , then on average ten of them would be people who have been vaccinated and 90 would be people who have not. You have the numbers. You are just too fucking stupid to understand them.

You can stick your efficacy rate up where the sun don't shine.

The common citizen isn't interested. At least not here.

What they want to know is hard data from the millions of new infections each day. how many were vaccinated, and how many dies.

After that, they want to know what adverse reactions, and what the long term health ramifications might be, if any.

Because no one has been able to deliver this, and because we have mixed messaging and infighting between feds, and a couple of states, who are both trying to take the moral high ground and quoting they are getting advice from ATAGI and TGA and yet deliver different messaging, you can understand that the vaccinations in general, now have a credibility issue to resolve before they can convince people to take the jab.

Everyday, we hear people saying the are not getting vaccinated. today the Government said, they won't be able to travel. It's not a ploy that will work with Australians. They will defy the Government. And we could get a Capitol Hill explosion the way things are going.

The worst thing of all, is that the people are sick and tired of being talked down to. They mention the science. The facts. Where is it? Show us!

When the journos ask, they end the conference. Avoid the difficult questions.

There is a lot going on in Australia. People are blatantly not getting the vaccinations now. We have entire vaccination centres empty. Not a soul.

And we have people like you in our Government talk about efficacy trying to appear clever. the average person just isn't buying Erolz. They are not interested because they believe they are being taken for a ride.

[Paphitis]

Their experience put the efficacy rate of pfizer at about 93%...

Sounds more like the BOLLOCKS rate, as agreed by governments and pharma industry.

This Pfizer shit seems to have polluted your brain and have gradually morphed into the biggest twat of them all!

Explain this

uk-inf-vs-death.JPG

All you have, like a parrot is the numbers are lies. That is it. Yet the same numbers are coming from so many different places government and non government, that for them to be lies, as you claim, would be a global conspiracy invovling 100's of thousands of individuals where not one has 'blown the whistle' yet. Fucking absurd.

Explain this...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/cyprus/

You want me to explain why when the rate of infections seen currently in Cyprus is at similar levels to before any of the population there was vaccinated the levels of hospitalisations and death are now significantly lower now portions of the population have been vaccinated ? Is that what you want me to explain ? Just as has been seen in the UK, the US, Israel and countless other places ? Fuckwit.

I do not see that they are lower.

2 days ago, there were 5 deaths.

COVID cases did reduce significantly and in that time, there were many COVID sufferers that recivered which reduced the numbers in ICU. But with 787 yesterday and 827 today, in 2 weeks time, it's going to be worse than before as many of that 1600 newly infected deteriorate and go to hospital and go into ICU and some obvioulsy will die.

Cyprus isn't a good example for you. You best not mention Cyprus.

USA on the other hand, maybe. But they are still getting 10000 odd cases daily. They could provide us with data on how many of them were vaccinated, as a significant proportion of their population is fully vaccinated, like in Cyprus.

So US going down, Cyprus going up.

What we need is information as to why.

[erolz66]

You can stick your efficacy rate up where the sun don't shine.

The common citizen isn't interested. At least not here.

What they want to know is hard data from the millions of new infections each day. how many were vaccinated, and how many dies.

That is exactly what the efficacy % re death of a given vaccine is. Its how many people who got the vaccine die relative to how many who did not get the vaccine died in the same period. There is no vaccine against stupidity. Such numbers have meaning only on average and over time. Only a fuckwit with no ability to comprehend would want the numbers daily rather than have them averaged out over a meaningful time period to date. Your are that fuckwit.

[Paphitis]

You can stick your efficacy rate up where the sun don't shine.

The common citizen isn't interested. At least not here.

What they want to know is hard data from the millions of new infections each day. how many were vaccinated, and how many dies.

That is exactly what the efficacy % re death of a given vaccine is. Its how many people who got the vaccine die relative to how many who did not get the vaccine died in the same period. There is no vaccine against stupidity. Such numbers have meaning only on average and over time. Only a fuckwit with no ability to comprehend would want the numbers daily rather than have them averaged out over a meaningful time period to date. Your are that fuckwit.

And who has published these efficacy rates? Why are they not displayed anywhere else?

Take for instance Cyprus. right jow, they don't have any data that they have published, that I can see what their efficacy rate is.

And, where is the data on side effects?

the best data I gave seen so far is ATAGI. And when this mob are telling us they are investigating 272 deaths, people tend to listen...

[erolz66]

many of that 1600 newly infected deteriorate and go to hospital and go into ICU and some obvioulsy will die.

Cyprus isn't a good example for you. You best not mention Cyprus.

Cyprus is not a good example for the simple reason the daily numbers are too low. Even before vaccination at the worst of daily infections peaks, deaths only reached a high of 8 in day. YOU were the one who mentioned Cyprus not me. You did so because the numbers are not so clear but the pattern is the same none the less. For a given number of infections per time period we are seeing lower rates of both hospitalisation and death than before there was any vaccinated population. Not seeing it as clearly as places that were recording daily infections in the tens of thousands and deaths in the 100's per day but the same thing can be seen in the data none the less.

USA on the other hand, maybe. But they are still getting 10000 odd cases daily. They could provide us with data on how many of them were vaccinated, as a significant proportion of their population is fully vaccinated, like in Cyprus.

It is not a case of 'could show us'. It is a case of they have and they are and STILL fuckwits like you will keep going around saying 'why are they not telling us.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... e-were-not

Anthony Fauci on Sunday said more than 99 percent of the people who died from COVID-19 in June were not vaccinated, calling the loss of life “avoidable and preventable.”

“If you look at the number of deaths, about 99.2 percent of them are unvaccinated. About 0.8 percent are vaccinated. No vaccine is perfect. But when you talk about the avoidability of hospitalization and death, Chuck, it's really sad and tragic that most all of these are avoidable and preventable,” Fauci told host Chuck Todd on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

You are being told in no uncertain terms. You are being given the numbers. Yet STILL you keep making your fucking ridiculous claims. No doubt you now just say 'well of course these numbers are lies'. You will not provide any evidence that they are lies. You do not need to. the very fact they do not fit your fairy-tale narrative will define them as lies for you. Fuckwit.

[Paphitis]

many of that 1600 newly infected deteriorate and go to hospital and go into ICU and some obvioulsy will die.

Cyprus isn't a good example for you. You best not mention Cyprus.

Cyprus is not a good example for the simple reason the daily numbers are too low. Even before vaccination at the worst of daily infections peaks, deaths only reached a high of 8 in day. YOU were the one who mentioned Cyprus not me. You did so because the numbers are not so clear but the pattern is the same none the less. For a given number of infections per time period we are seeing lower rates of both hospitalisation and death than before there was any vaccinated population. Not seeing it as clearly as places that were recording daily infections in the tens of thousands and deaths in the 100's per day but the same thing can be seen in the data none the less.

USA on the other hand, maybe. But they are still getting 10000 odd cases daily. They could provide us with data on how many of them were vaccinated, as a significant proportion of their population is fully vaccinated, like in Cyprus.

It is not a case of 'could show us'. It is a case of they have and they are and STILL fuckwits like you will keep going around saying 'why are they not telling us.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... e-were-not

Anthony Fauci on Sunday said more than 99 percent of the people who died from COVID-19 in June were not vaccinated, calling the loss of life “avoidable and preventable.”

“If you look at the number of deaths, about 99.2 percent of them are unvaccinated. About 0.8 percent are vaccinated. No vaccine is perfect. But when you talk about the avoidability of hospitalization and death, Chuck, it's really sad and tragic that most all of these are avoidable and preventable,” Fauci told host Chuck Todd on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

You are being told in no uncertain terms. You are being given the numbers. Yet STILL you keep making your fucking ridiculous claims. No doubt you now just say 'well of course these numbers are lies'. You will not provide any evidence that they are lies. You do not need to. the very fact they do not fit your fairy-tale narrative will define them as lies for you. Fuckwit.

far out. Now you telling me Cyprus isn't a good example because the numbers are low...

Who are you kidding? They have some of the highest numbers in the world. 827 new infections yesterday. They are pusging the 1000 mark now.

You are claiming you are seeing lower hospitalisations and lower deaths. what we are actually seeing is waves. Look at any country. COVID is coming and going in waves. few countries have it under control.

the low we see now, is the exact same low we saw a few months ago before vaccinations. remember when a few were saying COVID was in decline. Even I said it. Wasn't in decline at all. The next wave ended up bigger. same thing is likely to happen again. A wave bigger than the 2 previous. maybe the same if we are lucky.

Now, you say the efficacy rates are low. backed up by data. What data is that? Who is publishing this data? What is the sample size?

And to prove to the rest of us that it's accurate, why not publish the data in the real world with our daily infections?

You can claim and clkaim all you like. this is what we get from our Government. But they provide no data. they just say "trust the experts". What experts? and where is the data?

Sorry but Fauci saying 99% and only 0.8% is meaningless. Where is the data? This is what people want to see. Having some idiot tell is 99% this and 0.8% that, is just meaningless. Claims with no evidence and bno data. The data must exist right? Where is it?

[Paphitis]

And talking about efficacy. How is that relevent in Australia?

No COVID deaths for months. Unlikely to be any COVID deaths for many more months. maybe 1 or 2 if we are unlucky.

And how do you think the vaccines look when ATAGI tell us they are investigating 272 deaths. Even if only 10 of those are confirmed, what are Australians suppose to think when:

COVID = 0 dead, and vaccines = 10 dead?