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[Londonrake]

A Melbourne tale, of their v strict lockdown:

Getting 'crushed' on Melbourne's path to coronavirus success https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55081684

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[Paphitis]

A Melbourne tale, of their v strict lockdown:

Getting 'crushed' on Melbourne's path to coronavirus success https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55081684

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It's starting to ease up now with borders and restrictions easing.

No community transmissions in Australia is what we are being told. All our new COVID cases are from expats returning home from all over the world.

Hundreds of thousands of Australians are still stranded apparently in the UK and US. Can't get a flight and when they do and get over here, they go into medi hotels for isolation and this is where we are getting our positives.

Adelaide had a few community transmissions when COVID "escaped" a medi hotel and the locked the place down. We are till in the 14 day period and just had a kid test positive at a High School.

They have eased restrictions in Adelaide as well. Again everything is open. But they want to track everyone's movements with an App. All establishments have QR Codes, and they are saying its a condition of entry to scan the QR code upon entry and scan it when leaving so if anyone tests positive at that place and time when you are there, they come after you for a test and force us into isolation.

If you don't scan, you can't enter. Anyway...

But its become really disgusting. Some stupid people are calling to stop the repatriations of Australian Citizens. In other words, borders to be closed to citizens.

If I went to the US (I had a start date of 4th of May), I would not be allowed back to Australia in those circumstances if these hysterical people get their way. They seem to be the majority as well. So Australian Citizens stuck in the four corners of the world, can't get home.

The attitude is, they left Australia, and should not be allowed back into Australia during a pandemic, regardless of citizenship.

That's hardcore.

[Tim Drayton]

Tim. If you happen to visit this evening:

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/11/26/coro ... or-friday/

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Thanks for the info but I am looking for antibody tests to determine whether I have had it in the past. No reply to my application to volunteer for the study mentioned earlier.

[Get Real!]

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[Get Real!]

Used Excel to quickly calculate best/worst Covid-19 infection survival rates...

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NB1: Data taken from… https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

NB2: Smaller % is better.

NB3: All other countries not shown lie in between these two tables.

[Paphitis]

It’s actually very deceiving data.

The survival rate in Australia is massive. No community or close to no community infection.

We had 1 massive outbreak though. Solely within old age facilities in Melbourne where it ran rampant in VIC health old age facilities killing 750 over 80 year olds wishing a space of 3 to 4 months.

Quickly isolated however and virtually eradicated in Victoria with no community transmission and no COVID in our nursing homes. Controls are extremely tight there.

So it’s a very skewed data set. If we have some community transmission, survival rate is the best in the world. Somewhere around 99.9%

Australia won’t have a death unless there is another outbreak affecting lots of old people, right now, our positives are expats coming home usually in the 20 to 65 year old bracket. In other words, expats living in the UK or US and working there. Survival rates are high. Very high. Most of them don’t even get admitted to hospital and are just isolated in 5 star hotels.

Basically, it’s been eradicated in Australia and the only cases are imported.

There was also a small outbreak in Adelaide where it escaped the isolation centres. By outbreak, I’m talking about 23 cases in the cluster. Yeh they call that an outbreak here. Adelaide, a city of 1.4 million people went into lockdown. It lasted for 3 days. Every person that visited particular places on a list were forced into 14 days isolation. Now back down to zero cases except for 1 case 2 days ago.

The other thing is this. Australia’s has had 28000 cases. This includes the massive outbreak in nursing homes which infected about 10000 old and heavily dependent and vulnerable people of which 750 died. A death rate of 7.5%. Very high. But these were very frail old people. If there was no such outbreak in these centers, 750 people would not have died. That increases the average drastically.

But the 28000 cases nationwide is by far, along with the likes of South Korea, world leading at this point.

No one knows why our survival rate is good other than they attribute it to Vitamin D levels.

[Get Real!]

Prior to the emergence of Covid-19, a lot of misconceptions circulated by statistical agencies about which countries could handle a pandemic and other crises, better and they would always rank countries like the US, UK, Canada, Australia, etc at the top of the table.

One year on from the emergence of this horrible pandemic it has now become apparent that none of the attributes; such as wealth, technology, presumed preparedness etc, that these agencies were basing their predictions on have had any significant value in fighting a pandemic.

Surprisingly, it turns out that the most significant attributes that a nation needs to possess in time of such crises is a mature and decisive government that can roll out an effective plan coupled with responsible law-abiding citizens!

[Paphitis]

Prior to the emergence of Covid-19, a lot of misconceptions circulated by statistical agencies about which countries could handle a pandemic and other crises, better and they would always rank countries like the US, UK, Canada, Australia, etc at the top of the table.

One year on from the emergence of this horrible pandemic it has now become apparent that none of the attributes; such as wealth, technology, presumed preparedness etc, that these agencies were basing their predictions on have had any significant value in fighting a pandemic.

Surprisingly, it turns out that the most significant attributes that a nation needs to possess in time of such crises is a mature and decisive government that can roll out an effective plan coupled with responsible law-abiding citizens!

Decisive yes. Australia was decisive. Very decisive and unyielding.

Law abiding citizens - well the citizenry of Australia isn't unlike that of Europe, Canada or US. 99.9% of people are law abiding.

Responsible Government? Well that depends. Some of the Governments in Australia have not been responsible. They have used the pandemic for political purposes. such as some states closing borders to other states just because they had 10 cases in a week (yes 10 cases in a week) for the purposes of political points scoring. 2 States had elections recently - WA and Queensland.

You have to ask yourself what's sensible. Is a policy of eradication sensible, or economy? The consequences of economy are just as dire when whole families face bankruptcy. And if you opt for eradication, then what is the exit strategy? The only exit strategy can be a vaccine. They are claiming they will have one by early next year. Isn't that lucky? But what if a vaccine was never found? Then what? Or what if the vaccine they find doesn't work? Then what? Do we keep our borders closed to the outside world for years and years, and be like North Korea?

As far as I can tell there is only 1 country that has gone down the eradication path - Australia. How has it done it? By completely shutting down its borders. Right now, fortress Australia is the most secure border in the world.

There might be other countries as well. probably some minnow countries in the pacific who have a handful of cases etc.

[Get Real!]

Prior to the emergence of Covid-19, a lot of misconceptions circulated by statistical agencies about which countries could handle a pandemic and other crises, better and they would always rank countries like the US, UK, Canada, Australia, etc at the top of the table.

One year on from the emergence of this horrible pandemic it has now become apparent that none of the attributes; such as wealth, technology, presumed preparedness etc, that these agencies were basing their predictions on have had any significant value in fighting a pandemic.

Surprisingly, it turns out that the most significant attributes that a nation needs to possess in time of such crises is a mature and decisive government that can roll out an effective plan coupled with responsible law-abiding citizens!

Decisive yes. Australia was decisive. Very decisive and unyielding.

Law abiding citizens - well the citizenry of Australia isn't unlike that of Europe, Canada or US. 99.9% of people are law abiding.

Responsible Government? Well that depends. Some of the Governments in Australia have not been responsible. They have used the pandemic for political purposes. such as some states closing borders to other states just because they had 10 cases in a week (yes 10 cases in a week) for the purposes of political points scoring. 2 States had elections recently - WA and Queensland.

You have to ask yourself what's sensible. Is a policy of eradication sensible, or economy? The consequences of economy are just as dire when whole families face bankruptcy. And if you opt for eradication, then what is the exit strategy? The only exit strategy can be a vaccine. They are claiming they will have one by early next year. Isn't that lucky? But what if a vaccine was never found? Then what? Or what if the vaccine they find doesn't work? Then what? Do we keep our borders closed to the outside world for years and years, and be like North Korea?

As far as I can tell there is only 1 country that has gone down the eradication path - Australia. How has it done it? By completely shutting down its borders. Right now, fortress Australia is the most secure border in the world.

There might be other countries as well. probably some minnow countries in the pacific who have a handful of cases etc.

If the figures of the past 12 months are anything to go by, Australia is at an abysmal 24th/218 in the “worst survival rate” table so I wouldn’t brag if I were you!

What this tells us is that Australia’s medical establishment as a whole hasn’t been coping too well with their infected.

[Paphitis]

Prior to the emergence of Covid-19, a lot of misconceptions circulated by statistical agencies about which countries could handle a pandemic and other crises, better and they would always rank countries like the US, UK, Canada, Australia, etc at the top of the table.

One year on from the emergence of this horrible pandemic it has now become apparent that none of the attributes; such as wealth, technology, presumed preparedness etc, that these agencies were basing their predictions on have had any significant value in fighting a pandemic.

Surprisingly, it turns out that the most significant attributes that a nation needs to possess in time of such crises is a mature and decisive government that can roll out an effective plan coupled with responsible law-abiding citizens!

Decisive yes. Australia was decisive. Very decisive and unyielding.

Law abiding citizens - well the citizenry of Australia isn't unlike that of Europe, Canada or US. 99.9% of people are law abiding.

Responsible Government? Well that depends. Some of the Governments in Australia have not been responsible. They have used the pandemic for political purposes. such as some states closing borders to other states just because they had 10 cases in a week (yes 10 cases in a week) for the purposes of political points scoring. 2 States had elections recently - WA and Queensland.

You have to ask yourself what's sensible. Is a policy of eradication sensible, or economy? The consequences of economy are just as dire when whole families face bankruptcy. And if you opt for eradication, then what is the exit strategy? The only exit strategy can be a vaccine. They are claiming they will have one by early next year. Isn't that lucky? But what if a vaccine was never found? Then what? Or what if the vaccine they find doesn't work? Then what? Do we keep our borders closed to the outside world for years and years, and be like North Korea?

As far as I can tell there is only 1 country that has gone down the eradication path - Australia. How has it done it? By completely shutting down its borders. Right now, fortress Australia is the most secure border in the world.

There might be other countries as well. probably some minnow countries in the pacific who have a handful of cases etc.

If the figures of the past 12 months are anything to go by, Australia is at an abysmal 24th/218 in the “worst survival rate” table so I wouldn’t brag if I were you!

What this tells us is that Australia’s medical establishment as a whole hasn’t been coping too well with their infected.

It isn't. Figures really don't play an accurate picture. Ask yourself, where would you rather be - Australia or any other country? Australia or Greece? Australia of Cyprus. Well I think Australia is the pick by far. Aussies will say, we live in the best country in the world. They are not wrong.

Australia had 14000 cases before the Melbourne outbreak with about 100 dead.

Post Melbourne outbreak which added 10000 more positives from the Victorian Old Age Nursing Centres full of old and quite ill vulnerable people, and we had 750 dead from this cluster alone.

It also esaped into the community adding another 4000 positives but only 20 to 40 dead.

Now, we are back at our normal death rates with about 2500 active positives and no one in ICU so there won't be any deaths.

We are not abysmal at all. We are probably the best in the world and have successfully eradicated COVID from our community. The only positives we are getting is from expats coming home which are being isolated on arrival whether positive or not.

I'd be more worried about Cyprus which in 2 months will have more cases than Australia has had. Just to put things into context for you.

If you want to see eradication, Australia is the one to look at. More-so than South Korea which is just about into its next wave.

Our survival rate is actually better than Cyprus. If let's say we have another community transmission event, that infects 100,000 out in society, probably only around 200 will die.

that's the other thing. What Australia is very good at is its contact tracing regime. It is tracking people, where they go, and logging where the outbreaks occur and it bundles them into clusters. let's say I went to McDonalds in my area, and a positive case occurs at the same McDonalds. All the workers, and patrons that went to McDonalds will be isolated for 14 days.

Let's say I came in contact with a positive case without my knowledge, i will be notified and told to go to a medi hotel for 14 days.

What happens if I disobey a directive? Well the police come and arrest you. Under what law? The laws are found under The Emergency Act.