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[repulsewarrior]

Simpson's paradox; context counts.

...something I think should be remembered, as more information is revealed, about, essentially, what is an unknown.

[MR-from-NG]

Lets be honest everyone, it is an extremely complicated problem. You want one thing the TC's want another. You fear Turkey and it's presence on the island. The TC's fear being attacked by the GC's. There are TC's that believe GC's would attack within 72 hours at the most of Turkey withdrawing its troops. I personally don't believe we would have a repeat of 63 but there are many that think the exact opposite.

Does anyone see any hope in sight? Would the involvement of superpowers achieve anything? I'm 67 and my biggest desire is to see a reunited island before my times up. Is it possible as time passes new generations on both sides may accept everything as they are?

I'm just thinking out loud here, could we have this scenario? Could you have this kind of attitude? Maybe? No? Can you see future GC generations saying; "fuck you you smelly Turks, you stay where you are, we're doing ok where we are" And future generation TC's saying; "You treated us like shit, never showed an ounce of respect towards us. Treated us like second class citizens and told us to fuck off from Cyprus at every opportunity. You stay where you are , we're doing fine where we are. And by the way, embargo or not, direct flight or not, we are here and will remain here because Cyprus is our home" !!!

Complicated, so bloody tragic, so bloody unnecessary.

This problem was created by outsider and much larger powers.

They have to get involved to resolve, and reverse it.

The TC's have a victim mentality and an ego that no one else, let alone yourselves are able to service or reason with Mr-NG.

Might I remind you that for 500 years Cyprus was under the ottoman empire and GC's were second class citizens. Then those Ottomans that remained in Cyprus after the Ottoman empire collapsed had super inflated rights stitched in to the 1960 constitution by outsiders. The TC were not second class citizens, they were never second class citizens. Those that identified as TC had the upper hand again and before that, those that identified as Ottoman had it.

The problem is not complicated, everyone knows what needs to be done to resolve it in a just manner. And to create a Cyprus that can prosper and be governed by modern standards.

But

As Erolz has once said, there is no will to resolve or reverse it. TC's have no will because their interests diverge away from the majority of Cypriots and converge with Turkey's. < that is another problem that Cyprus has.

Instead, we have a free republic that wants to liberate the north and an illegal occupation that wants to either break away as a separate state or "reunite" under those same apartheid conditions that created the problem in the first place and worse. Neither is acceptable in today world and by todays standards.

So yes, the TC are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Time is not on their side but I dont really think they care. By and large, they are crypto Turks but the occupation wont last forever.

Then they will become unstuck and accept a reality of having to go to Turkey or live in a democratic Cyprus like any other ethnic minority.

The TC's in Cyprus should be the equivalent to the TC's in the UK. The GC's in Cyprus should be the equivalent as the English in England.

Its as simple as that.

Seriously Max? You make it sound so simple and yet 50+ years and no solution in sight. Max, there are 2 sides to every story and then there's the truth. As long as there is no compromise, sacrifice and willingness shown this will go on for the rest of time. You think it's an easy fix I think it's damn impossible in this current climate. The only possible fix can be achieved by the involvement of the superpowers and so far they seem not to care.

TC's in Cyprus like those in the UK and GC's in Cyprus like the English in England??????

[Maximus]

you just repeated what I said

Now go take your pills.

[MR-from-NG]

you just repeated what I said

Now go take your pills.

How have I repeated what you just said? You made it sound as though we could resolve everything overnight like moving from one room in a hotel to the other because the you weren't happy with your view from your room.

Easy as "come on you smelly Turks, pack your bags and go, we want our property back. Go back to your village the Greek living in your home will vacate. We are now going back to 22nd of December 1963. Just like resetting a pc to its previous settings. Cyprus problem is by far the most complex problem in modern times. Tragic and impossible to resolve. To put it mildly, we are all fucked.

[Maximus]

That is not the GC's problem though is it, Turkey and the TC's made it their problem.

This is something Turkey and the TC's have to deal with to resolve the problem. it is on your side!

You want the GC's to come and pack the squatters bags for you as well.

They would......

Any TC property remains theirs, always has been theirs pending the resolution of the property issue.

Correction, to put it mildly, the TC's are fckd. whatever state they have held ministerial positions in, they fckd it.

[Paphitis]

Just had my second COVID test today.

Was summonsed by the authorities via SMS to do a mandated test. Was told to go home for 24 hours and stay there.

Technically, the police can knock on my door as well some time today to ensure I’m home.

Get me result within 24 hours.

Reason for mandated test: I’m considered high fish due to work related travel requirements.

I had a Covid Test done two weeks ago when all of a sudden I had swollen throat glands, and within two days, I had lost my ability to eat, drink, swallow or speak while we were on a holiday in the Italian part of Switzerland in Ascona. Before our return back to Zurich , I had made an online appointment with one of the test centers in Zurich and took the test, which took about 30 minutes and received the results 24 hours later via email....NEGATIVE!

I got my result sent to my via SMS. Negative.

Phew! What a relief.

So I am back to work this Sunday off to Canberra for my 2 flights for the week. So I get to kick the tyres and lights the fires.

[Kikapu]

The TC's in Cyprus should be the equivalent to the TC's in the UK. The GC's in Cyprus should be the equivalent as the English in England.

Max, what the fuck does the above quote mean?

The way I read that, it means that the TCs in Cyprus are foreigners and the GCs are the natives? Really?

If that is what you meant, that does not entice any TCs to become part of the RoC as foreigners. How can it?

What you could have said is, that the TCs are like the Swiss French and the GCs are like the Swiss Germans, which the Swiss Germans are the numerical majority at 69% and the Swiss French at 20%, but they are ALL Swiss and no one see themselves as the majority or the minority, which also include the Swiss Italians at 10% and the Swiss Romansh at 1%. Naturally the Swiss Germans carry more voting power in a direct democratic voting system, but votes taken are what benefits the country and not what benefits certain what language which certain Swiss speaks. At the end of the day, they are ALL Swiss and represent Switzerland as their country when they are abroad.

[Maximus]

I hear akinci and many t.c leaders before him refer to the t.c as Turks of cyprus.

I have seen pictures of ak8nci in his office with a portrate of attaturk on the wall behind him.

I hear that varosha was owned by some ottoman pasha and that is why it belngs to the t.c. as if they are heirs of it dispute the ottoman empire doesn't exist.

The t.c act like colonialists and discriminate against the gc with Turkey.

What's that all about?

The tc think and act like they are heirs of the ottomans. They constantly make references to it and that's why Turks have a right in Cyprus.

So excuse me and any one else that gets the impression the t.c are Turkish and agrees with them.

If it thinks, acts, believes and talks like a Turk, isnt it a Turk?

[repulsewarrior]

...well said, Max. (wish i had said it.)

...pity this conversation isn't in an appropriate topic listing.

[repulsewarrior]

Maximus wrote:
"The TC's in Cyprus should be the equivalent to the TC's in the UK. The GC's in Cyprus should be the equivalent as the English in England."

...they are British, the TC's, and the English, in England (to be more accurate, the UK).

...indeed, in Cyprus, Cypriots, Greek, or Turkish, are Cypriot for the same reasons.

...for that matter, Kurds, and Alevi, are Turkish, in Turkey, for the same reason as well.