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[erolz66]

That’s a record low, after a spike of 596 the day before as a result of the Ruby Princess incident.

A record low (you say) but higher than the figures for 28th, 23rd March 21st March and every day before that.

We should all be pleased when any country does well. Likewise we should be sad for any country that is struggling and hope they can turn it around quickly.

We should all try and understand and present reality as best as possible. Making out things are better than this reality, trying to 'spin' the numbers, is dangerous. Dangerous when Trump does it and dangerous, to a much lesser degree, when you do it. I am glad that the numbers for OZ yesterday are lower than the day before, but that does not make them a 'record low'. Calling them a 'record low' is just spin imo.

[Paphitis]

Well it looks like the number of cases from the Ruby Princess has reached over 400 and there have been 5 deaths.

There are 9 cruise ships lined up to enter Sydney harbour and the Feds issued each Ship with a warning to return to their port of origin.

Basically they are being told to turn back. Not sure what will happen if they don't turn back. They better not let these ships in.

AUSTRALIA IS CLOSED!

EWe have done a lot of hard work to get on top of China Virus and we don't want all our efforts to come undone just because of a few love boats.

[Londonrake]

Mine wasn’t a love boat.

[Paphitis]

Mine wasn’t a love boat.

Oh that's a shame. maybe you didn't try hard enough?

[erolz66]

Cruise ship passengers - the new refugees ?

Now in normal times I am no fan of 'people on cruise ships'. I , like everyone else, have my prejudices. I am prejudice against wealthy people in that if all I know about them is their wealth and nothing else then I am 'suspicious'. I have all the usual defences, like some of my best friends are wealthy, which is true but does not change the fact that I am prejudice in this way.

However what is going on with cruise ships being denied entry to ports around the world, denied help and aid, disgusts me. The people on these cruise ships are human beings. Denying them aid and medical help at this time disgusts me. Arguments from countries with populations in the 10's and 100's of millions that 'we can not take and help these people' disgust me just as they do when used against genuine asylum seekers. As the CEO of one cruise line company said

"The COVID-19 situation is one of the most urgent tests of our common humanity,” the CEO wrote. “To slam the door in the face of these people betrays our deepest human values."

Our common humanity is being tested and in this case we are failing even as the likes of Paphitis cheer and laud this failure.

[Londonrake]

Cruising nowadays is pretty much a hoi polloi thing. You get all sorts TBH. The idea that it’s a rich man’s pursuit’s an anachronism. Well - they’ve even let me on a few.

[erolz66]

Cruising nowadays is pretty much a hoi polloi thing. You get all sorts TBH. The idea that it’s a rich man’s pursuit’s an anachronism. Well - they’ve even let me on a few.

Not in global terms imo. Even the concept of 'foreign holiday' at all is,in global terms, the privilege of the relatively wealthy. But like I say this is not about prejudice or otherwise for the relatively wealthy. This is about humanity and human values.

What do you think of Paphtits' 'joy' that his country is refusing aid to these people ? It could have been you that he is celebrating the denial of aid and succour to. Your parents, your siblings, your loved ones. Locked on a death ship without medical aid and help.

No views on that Londonrake ?

[Kikapu]

Cruise ship passengers - the new refugees ?

Now in normal times I am no fan of 'people on cruise ships'. I , like everyone else, have my prejudices. I am prejudice against wealthy people in that if all I know about them is their wealth and nothing else then I am 'suspicious'. I have all the usual defences, like some of my best friends are wealthy, which is true but does not change the fact that I am prejudice in this way.

However what is going on with cruise ships being denied entry to ports around the world, denied help and aid, disgusts me. The people on these cruise ships are human beings. Denying them aid and medical help at this time disgusts me. Arguments from countries with populations in the 10's and 100's of millions that 'we can not take and help these people' disgust me just as they do when used against genuine asylum seekers. As the CEO of one cruise line company said

"The COVID-19 situation is one of the most urgent tests of our common humanity,” the CEO wrote. “To slam the door in the face of these people betrays our deepest human values."

Our common humanity is being tested and in this case we are failing even as the likes of Paphitis cheer and laud this failure.

At some point when individuals whom make selfish decisions to have their long planned holidays at a time of crisis to which their actions further adds to the prolongation of Coronavirus which endangers others, they will need to face consequences of inconvenience themselves . All the present cruises who are facing refusals by various countries to disembark passengers are ALL the cruises started after the events of Diamond Princess cruise ship.

Who in their right mind would go on a cruise at present times given the dangers of thousands of people all clustered together just because they had already paid in full for the cruise, and the cruise company not canceling the cruise just so that share holders do not lose value?

Where are responsibilities from the cruise ship owners and the clients to help control this virus, but instead, they feel as if they are exempt from such responsibilities and that their vacation trump over others welfare along their route no matter what. Personally, at this point I do not sympathize with their inconveniences of not being allowed off the ship at various ports if it means endangering other innocent people by doing so.

[erolz66]

Seems to me we always find 'reasons' to justify our choice to ignore the suffering of others. Be they refugees or cruise ship passengers or the truly impoverished.

[Kikapu]

Seems to me we always find 'reasons' to justify our choice to ignore the suffering of others. Be they refugees or cruise ship passengers or the truly impoverished.

Not so, Erol.

Refugees, migrants and the impoverished act in desperation, even though when some of their actions may not be recommended. Passengers on cruise ships however are only on a vacation in time of “war” against a virus. A little common sense would go a long way by these passengers and the cruise ship companies.

Poor planning on their part should not necessitate an emergency on others.