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[cyprusgrump]

Rapidly dying out almost everywhere, my arse ! Only in your head if you are a twat that ignores actual evidence to date.

I love the way you continue to conflate 'almost everywhere' (places) with total number of cases...

...even when everybody can see how it is dying out but the total numbers are increased by some late starting countries...

I have explained that to you before but then of course you can be exceptionally dense when it suits your cause...

...and apparently increasingly desperate...

[Paphitis]

The Bedwetters will love this... That's how to treat someone not wearing a mask eh...?

This is what the virus hysteria has brought us to...

Didn’t you know that there are cunt cops everywhere?

Police officer did his job. Can’t ignore such stupidity. She broke the law by not complying with state of emergency laws that ever citizen must comply with. If the police ask for ID, then you give it to them, not be an arsehoke.

If you are an arsehole and assault them on top, then get 6 months jail. The laws are clear.

This girl is going to get an education and maybe learn some manners behind bars.

I don't doubt she was being a bit of a twat...

The question is, what have we come to when police are patrolling the streets making sure people are wearing masks...? Outside in the open...?

They are of dubious value inside... But in the open? Just her and her boyf and the police had nothing better to do than stop her to impose a fine...?

And you support that?

Melbourne is under lock down, a state of emergency and a curfew. The reason is because other states in Australia have virtually no COVID cases or extremely low numbers in the single digits. Life in other states is returning to some normality with the local economy functioning.

The idea is to contain COVID within the outbreak zone of a Melbourne and not let it spread from Victoria to other states and cities like Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane, Perth, Tasmania etc.

What I support is the effort to contain COVID so we don’t see a similar outbreak in other parts so we can return to some kind of normality. It won’t happen if people are being difficult.

Melbourne is Australia’s gem. Our Paris. It’s sad to see this wonderful city in the state it’s in. You look at the streets and they are empty. A city of 5.5 million.

[erolz66]

The question is, what have we come to when police are patrolling the streets making sure people are wearing masks...? Outside in the open...?

They are of dubious value inside... But in the open? Just her and her boyf and the police had nothing better to do than stop her to impose a fine...?

And you support that?

We have come to the exactly same place we were at before or regardless of covid. A place you have never shown any concern about here before that I can recall. A cynic might start suspecting you only care about such things when you think they can be exploited to fit your pre chosen covid narrative but that you could not give a toss about other than that.

[erolz66]

Rapidly dying out almost everywhere, my arse ! Only in your head if you are a twat that ignores actual evidence to date.

I love the way you continue to conflate 'almost everywhere' (places) with total number of cases...

...even when everybody can see how it is dying out but the total numbers are increased by some late starting countries...

I have explained that to you before but then of course you can be exceptionally dense when it suits your cause...

...and apparently increasingly desperate...

It is dying out almost everywhere since June 24, according to you, yet since then GLOBAL numbers for daily rate of new positives AND daily rate of deaths are HIGHER than June 24th.

Not only is this true globally, it is also true that in more individual countries than not, both these numbers have increased since the 24 June than decreased. More over all, more by number of individual countries and you STILL try and insist you were not wrong. Only a narcissist of epic proportions would show such a pathological inability to accept they were wrong and would keep trying to make out they were not wrong in the face of such numbers.

As far as conflating goes you should look at your conflating lower daily death numbers in the minority of countries where this is true since 24 June as a result of successful efforts to break chains of transmission and improving therapeutics and treatment of those with the virus, with the virus having itself died out. As you yourself said just earlier today

And of course the virus won't just go away if you hide under the bed as NZ has just discovered...

So as of June 24 according to you the virus is rapidly dying out almost everywhere, and as of today according to you 'of course the virus won't just go away'.

[Londonrake]

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[Get Real!]

...even when everybody can see how it is dying out but the total numbers are increased by some late starting countries...

The only things dying out are your brain cells...

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[erolz66]

I love the way you continue to conflate 'almost everywhere' (places) with total number of cases...

...even when everybody can see how it is dying out but the total numbers are increased by some late starting countries...

Anyone with even a modicum of ability to think for themselves can see that you are literally just making this up. Here are the first 12 countries to report covid cases, in date order and if (7 day average) daily positives and deaths are higher or lower than they were June 24th.

China - first case 1st Dec. Since 24 th June daily positives - up, deaths - up
Thailand - first case 13 Jan. Since 24 th June daily positives - up, deaths - same (zero)
Japan - first case 16th Jan. Since 24 th June daily positives - up, deaths - Up
US - first case 20th Jan. Since 24 th June daily positives - up, deaths - up
South Korea - first case 20th Jan. Since 24 th June daily positives - down (< 10%) , deaths - same
Taiwan - first case 21st Jan. Since 24 th June daily positives - up , deaths - same (zero)
Singapore - first case 23rd Jan. Since 24 th June daily positives - up , deaths - same (zero)
Vietnam - first case 23rd Jan. Since 24 th June daily positives - up , deaths - up
France - first case 24th Jan. Since 24 th June daily positives - up , deaths - down
Nepal - first case 24th Jan. Since 24 th June daily positives - down , deaths - up
Australia - first case 25rd Jan. Since 24 th June daily positives - up , deaths - up
Canada - first case 25rd Jan. Since 24 th June daily positives - up , deaths - down

I have explained that to you before but then of course you can be exceptionally dense when it suits your cause...

Yes you keep repeating claims that are patently and demonstrably not true when you look at the actual figures even after you have been shown the figures. Over and over. That is what zealots like you do and have to do and all they can do when the numbers do not fit their pre chosen narrative.

And again, just to be clear here, if you had made your claim on Jun 24th, that was not supported by the numbers available then and just kept quiet about it in the following 51 days that have proven just how wrong you were, then we would not be having this discussion now. It is only because during that 51 days, in your egotistical arrogance, you also, more than once, have bragged and crowed about how wrong other people will be shown to be at some indeterminate point in the future and how much you will enjoy reminding them of that down the line, that I have in turn responded with the full force of my Cypriot stubbornness in not letting you get away with having been so abjectly and plainly and irrefutably wrong yourself back then.

To recap

By total global figures you have been proven to have been wrong.
By majority of individual countries you have been proven to be wrong.
By 12 'earliest starting' countries you have been proven to be wrong.

Even when you move the goalposts as above you are STILL shown to have been wrong by the NUMBERS since your claim.

[Tim Drayton]

Oh dear! New Zealand was being touted as the success story. All they did was impose such a severe lockdown that the virus did not spread at all so hardly anyone has immunity. On no! Now fourteen people have come down with a bug you have a 99.9% chance of surviving and with which there is an 80% chance of having no symptoms whatsoever.

So the fact that nations coming out of lock-downs and opening their airports giving the virus a new impetus, is now interpreted as “lock-downs don’t work” eh...

I guess you’ve abandoned your old...

“The virus is an exaggerated conspiracy to control the masses”

...stupidity, as well as your other nonsense...

“Sweden’s successful herd immunity”

...baloney, which would require an absence of lock-downs btw but clearly not working!

What a couple of clowns you are, forever adjusting your daftness to save face!

You are misrepresenting my arguments, I 'm afraid.

Let's say there is a sparsely populated island with 100 inhabitants. You find that one inhabitant has a cold (which is contagious) so you order absolutely everyone never to go within ten metres of another person for two weeks. Of course, if everyone obeys the rule, then the cold will not spread, those who have it will recover, and it will die out. So, yes, the lockdown will have "worked" even if it destroys the island's economy and more people die of other causes due to the strict lockdown. The snag is that if one outsider then brings that same cold onto the island, people there will still catch that cold, unless you repeat the whole destructive and ultimately pointless lockdown procedure once more. It is simply a fact of nature that around three "bugs" go round every year, people catch it, have cold/flu symptoms for a few days then recover and become immune and once enough people become immune that "bug" can no longer find enough hosts to keep going and so dies out or has to mutate to survive. It is also a fact of nature that all animals, people included, are mortal, and these "bugs" can come as the last straw for people who are very ill or very old and they die. I wish I could change these facts of nature, but I can't. If I jump out of the window of a high building and flap my arms, wish as I may, I will be unable to fly like a bird but will fall and be killed. We have to accept these facts. People are mortal and risk is inherent in all activities in life. Three people were killed in a train accident in Scotland yesterday yet people will continue to fearlessly board trains not thinking of the risk. Why are people so consumed with the tiny risk that the so-called coronavirus poses, if it even exists (the virus has yet to be isolated)? I am sorry, but you can't keep shutting down the world every time a relatively harmless bug does the rounds otherwise human existence will be made totally impossible.

[erolz66]

You are misrepresenting my arguments, I 'm afraid.

Not that I can see. Your argument is that NZ will at some point in the future succumb to the same levels of death (per head of population) as places like Sweden. It has not done so to date but you insist that it is a 'law of nature' that it will do so in the future. This is just pure speculation about the future and nothing more. It is entirely within the realms of possible that NZ will contain this latest outbreak, just like it did the first one, and maintain that until a safe and viable vaccine is produced and it ends up having had orders of magnitude less death per head of population and less economic damage than places like UK or Sweden. This is just as possible as your claimed 'natural inevitability'. Even if NZ does ultimately prove unable to contain the spread of the virus going forward and vaccines prove elusive it is still likely to end up of with less death per head of population because today we have better treatment and therapeutics for the virus than we did 6 months ago, and in 6 months time this will be more true, which is another reality you have consistently ignored every time this has been pointed out.

If you leave future speculation aside and stick with what we know as fact to date, then it is clear than NZ is, to date, the exemplar nation in terms of it's response. It has massively less death per head of population than say Sweden. It has had less days of internal restrictions on citizens than Sweden and it is highly likely that it will have had less economic downturn ytd Q2 than Sweden (final official figures not yet out). If based on actual knowns to date and not your biased future speculation, NZ is NOT a 'success' story, then please do tell me what country you think IS, to date, a success story ? Sweden with its over 100 times death per head of population, longer restrictions on citizens in number of days and almost certain larger economic decline ytd to Q2 ?

[Kikapu]

The Bedwetters will love this... That's how to treat someone not wearing a mask eh...?

This is what the virus hysteria has brought us to...

I actually saw this and liked this arrest,

That young girl should be ashamed of herself. All the police officer did was ask her where her mask was. She gave him the middle finger. So then her asked for ID to issue a $200 fine. She refused to provide information. So police officer arrests her for a minor charge of refusing to provide ID. Then all hell breaks loose.

Then the stupid girl resists and kicks another female police officer. Now they have her on resisting and assaulting a police officer. In Australia, there is a mandatory 6 month minimum sentence if you assault a police officer. So now she is going to jail.

Hope she enjoys it. Everyone is totally fed up with her like.

Good take down by Victorian Police.

I don’t know if not wearing a mask is a law which counts as a crime in Victoria or just a policy which carries a fine. Unless the laws are written very clearly, it may well be that she did not violate any criminal laws which she then had no obligation to provide an ID, and when she asked the officer why she was being arrested, he responded by saying “assaulting police officer” and not because she was not wearing a mask.

After what happened to Floyd, the girl had every right to gouge out the officer’s eyes and knee him in the balls for good measure acting in self defense if the officer just kept choking her. If I was there, I would have pulled him off her because he was out of control and the female cop was useless. If two cops are not able to make a normal legal or illegal arrest without violence, then they should call for back up before things got out of hand. I would sue the officer for sexual assault and attempted murder. The male cop was just as useless as the female cop. I don’t even think they were real cops or just similar to Police Community Support Officers (PCSO), because the fucker had no idea how to arrest someone, even a girl half his size.