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[cyprusgrump]

No, he doesn't do that at all.... Why don't you read it again...?

Tell you what, read it slowly and follow the words with your finger (or your newly extended penis if you prefer) and you might get it...

Nobody gives a shit what some idiotic blogger has concocted to convince pea-brained idiots like you that everything is hunky-dory, while thousands languish in intensive care units around the world and while the planet is slowly but surely edging towards another lock-down!

And frankly, I find your incessant childish drivel on the matter an insult to the countless dead and dying, an insult to the myriad of ruined careers and now impoverished families, an insult to trashed economies around the globe, and an insult to everyone’s intelligence who is unfortunate enough to come across the rubbish you post!

You could always not read it...?

Can't your amazing browser block my posts...?

I hope Kikakopoulos has enough sense to completely ignore your childish crap so you can just fuck right off to your virtual alcohol in your virtual pub where you sat for years waiting for some idiot to join you for a pint of thin air!

IDIOT!

He'll ignore me in a few weeks when it becomes clear that everything you bedwetters believe was untrue....

[erolz66]

When the virus dies out (as it is doing rapidly almost everywhere) I'll post the evidence that proves you wrong...

In the 40 days since you declared that the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere the number of global confirmed positives has increased from 9.409 million to 18.282 million.

[cyprusgrump]

When the virus dies out (as it is doing rapidly almost everywhere) I'll post the evidence that proves you wrong...

In the 40 days since you declared that the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere the number of global confirmed positives has increased from 9.409 million to 18.282 million.

And how many extra tests in that time...?

Interesting that the number of 'cases' have doubled but the number of deaths has not, no...?

Read the article I pointed to earlier, look at the results and graphs of it dying out and then comment...

[erolz66]

When the virus dies out (as it is doing rapidly almost everywhere) I'll post the evidence that proves you wrong...

In the 40 days since you declared that the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere the number of global confirmed positives has increased from 9.409 million to 18.282 million.

And how many extra tests in that time...?

If you had of been correct back in June 25th when you declared the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere, then it would not matter how many tests have been done since then, the number of positives would have declined. You were just plain wrong. The virus was not rapidly dying out almost everywhere when you made that claim. You were just plain wrong.

Interesting that the number of 'cases' have doubled but the number of deaths has not, no...?

No not interesting but entirely predictable. As was pointed out to you and ignored by you countless times previously, with a novel virus like this , then steadily over time we get better at treating those who catch the virus and preventing death from it. Yes the cfr is decreasing - this is entirely expected, nothing unusual and in no way undermines just how badly and utterly wrong your June 25th claim has proven to be.

Read the article I pointed to earlier, look at the results and graphs of it dying out and then comment...

I refer you to GR post

Nobody gives a shit what some idiotic blogger has concocted to convince pea-brained idiots like you that everything is hunky-dory, while thousands languish in intensive care units around the world and while the planet is slowly but surely edging towards another lock-down!

And frankly, I find your incessant childish drivel on the matter an insult to the countless dead and dying, an insult to the myriad of ruined careers and now impoverished families, an insult to trashed economies around the globe, and an insult to everyone’s intelligence who is unfortunate enough to come across the rubbish you post!

[cyprusgrump]

When the virus dies out (as it is doing rapidly almost everywhere) I'll post the evidence that proves you wrong...

In the 40 days since you declared that the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere the number of global confirmed positives has increased from 9.409 million to 18.282 million.

And how many extra tests in that time...?

If you had of been correct back in June 25th when you declared the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere, then it would not matter how many tests have been done since then, the number of positives would have declined. You were just plain wrong. The virus was not rapidly dying out almost everywhere when you made that claim. You were just plain wrong.

Interesting that the number of 'cases' have doubled but the number of deaths has not, no...?

No not interesting but entirely predictable. As was pointed out to you and ignored by you countless times previously, with a novel virus like this , then steadily over time we get better at treating those who catch the virus and preventing death from it. Yes the cfr is decreasing - this is entirely expected, nothing unusual and in no way undermines just how badly and utterly wrong your June 25th claim has proven to be.

Read the article I pointed to earlier, look at the results and graphs of it dying out and then comment...

I refer you to GR post

Nobody gives a shit what some idiotic blogger has concocted to convince pea-brained idiots like you that everything is hunky-dory, while thousands languish in intensive care units around the world and while the planet is slowly but surely edging towards another lock-down!

And frankly, I find your incessant childish drivel on the matter an insult to the countless dead and dying, an insult to the myriad of ruined careers and now impoverished families, an insult to trashed economies around the globe, and an insult to everyone’s intelligence who is unfortunate enough to come across the rubbish you post!

You're hilarious ErLolz!

You'll still be claiming is is a rampant deathvirus when it has completely gone...

BTW, why don't you quote the ONS Weekly Death figures anymore and choose instead to use 'cases' to prove your point...?

Main points
The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 24 July 2020 (Week 30) was 8,891; this was 68 more deaths than in Week 29.

In Week 30, the number of deaths registered was 1.8% below the five-year average (161 deaths fewer); this is the sixth consecutive week that deaths have been below the five-year average.

The number of deaths in care homes, hospitals and other communal establishments remained below the five-year average in Week 30, while the number of deaths in private homes continued to be higher than the five-year average (727 more deaths).

Of the deaths registered in Week 30, 217 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", the lowest number of deaths involving COVID-19 in the last 18 weeks and a 26.4% decrease compared with Week 29 (295 deaths), accounting for 2.4% of all deaths in England and Wales.

The number of deaths involving COVID-19 decreased across all English regions, except for Yorkshire and The Humber and the East Midlands; six of the nine regions had fewer overall deaths than the five-year average.

In Wales, the total number of deaths was similar to the five-year average (one death fewer) for Week 30, while the number of deaths involving COVID-19 decreased to seven deaths registered (from 11 deaths in Week 29), the lowest number registered since Week 12 when there were two deaths.

Of all deaths involving COVID-19 registered up to Week 30, 63.4% occurred in hospital with the remainder mainly occurring in care homes (29.7%), private homes (4.7%) and hospices (1.4%).

The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 24 July 2020 (Week 30) was 10,142, which was 118 deaths fewer than the five-year average; of the deaths registered in the UK in Week 30, 231 deaths involved COVID-19.

Oh yes, I can understand your problem with that....

[erolz66]

You're hilarious ErLolz!

You'll still be claiming is is a rampant deathvirus when it has completely gone...

A prediction of the future yet to be proven or shown, compared with a historic reality where you explicitly claimed on June 25th that the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere, a claim which has subsequently been shown to have been totally and utterly wrong.

BTW, why don't you quote the ONS Weekly Death figures anymore and choose instead to use 'cases' to prove your point...?

I have not said anything about anything since the 27th June till today. I, unlike some have always used and will continue to use the hard (deaths all causes) ONS data as my starting point in trying to get a grip on what the extent of the virus is.

What you think / make out the ONS data shows is no more likely to be correct than you thinking the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere back on June 25th. This is shown when all you do is take the 'headlines' (hard data and soft) of one single week, as if that on its own could tell you anything useful. For example

In Week 30, the number of deaths registered was 1.8% below the five-year average (161 deaths fewer); this is the sixth consecutive week that deaths have been below the five-year average.

In week 4 of 2020, before coronavirus, the number of deaths for that week was 4.87% below the the five-year average (904 fewer deaths). Week 11 (again essentially before the virus) was the 9th consecutive week that deaths had been below the five-year average.

What would be relevant, is not taking a single week out of 2020 but to look at the year to date net figures. I can understand your problem with that.

Anyway that probably is me for another 40 days or so,at least until the weight of hypocrisy of your constant ridiculing of others 'being wrong' drives me to update once again exactly how utterly and absolutely wrong your 25th June claim has since proven to be.

Before I slide away again B25 are you out there ? I have almost zero interest in anything cyprusgrump has to say about this virus. However I would be very interested to hear an update from you as to how things have been since you tested clear of the virus. Have you noticed / experienced any negative effects since then ? Or are you 100% back to how you were before contracting the virus ? I would welcome some input from someone with some actual personal experience. CG is a stuck record droning on with his "incessant childish drivel", so something else in this thread would be most welcome from someone with some actual personal experience of the virus

@CG - how is the luxury unused 2nd home with private cinema sale / rent going ? Any takers yet ?

[cyprusgrump]

You're hilarious ErLolz!

You'll still be claiming is is a rampant deathvirus when it has completely gone...

A prediction of the future yet to be proven or shown, compared with a historic reality where you explicitly claimed on June 25th that the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere, a claim which has subsequently been shown to have been totally and utterly wrong.

BTW, why don't you quote the ONS Weekly Death figures anymore and choose instead to use 'cases' to prove your point...?

I have not said anything about anything since the 27th June till today. I, unlike some have always used and will continue to use the hard (deaths all causes) ONS data as my starting point in trying to get a grip on what the extent of the virus is.

What you think / make out the ONS data shows is no more likely to be correct than you thinking the virus was rapidly dying out almost everywhere back on June 25th. This is shown when all you do is take the 'headlines' (hard data and soft) of one single week, as if that on its own could tell you anything useful. For example

In Week 30, the number of deaths registered was 1.8% below the five-year average (161 deaths fewer); this is the sixth consecutive week that deaths have been below the five-year average.

In week 4 of 2020, before coronavirus, the number of deaths for that week was 4.87% below the the five-year average (904 fewer deaths). Week 11 (again essentially before the virus) was the 9th consecutive week that deaths had been below the five-year average.

What would be relevant, is not taking a single week out of 2020 but to look at the year to date net figures. I can understand your problem with that.

Anyway that probably is me for another 40 days or so,at least until the weight of hypocrisy of your constant ridiculing of others 'being wrong' drives me to update once again exactly how utterly and absolutely wrong your 25th June claim has since proven to be.

Before I slide away again B25 are you out there ? I have almost zero interest in anything cyprusgrump has to say about this virus. However I would be very interested to hear an update from you as to how things have been since you tested clear of the virus. Have you noticed / experienced any negative effects since then ? Or are you 100% back to how you were before contracting the virus ? I would welcome some input from someone with some actual personal experience. CG is a stuck record droning on with his "incessant childish drivel", so something else in this thread would be most welcome from someone with some actual personal experience of the virus

@CG - how is the luxury unused 2nd home with private cinema sale / rent going ? Any takers yet ?

You're wrong... about just about everything as normal... You obviously have no idea (apart from anything else) as to the rental value of a 'luxury unused 2nd home with private cinema'...

See you in 40 days... Care to have a guess as to the daily death figures then...? Around September 13th...? I'd guess 3,000ish...

No doubt you are on board with Kiks 'upward trend' and expect many more...?

[erolz66]

I do not start with 'death from covid' figures because they are not 'hard'.

Would be more, way more, than happy to pitch a 'global confirmed positives' guess for 13 September against your best guess, given that since you claimed the virus was RAPIDLY dying out almost everywhere 40 days ago the number of positive cases near doubled in a fifth of the time the first 9 million took.

Give me your guess based on your claim 40 days ago that the virus rapidly dying out almost everywhere and I will give you my guess and we can see who is most wrong.

I also suspect / guess / predict however that you will NOT offer such a guess even though it was your idea

[cyprusgrump]

I do not start with 'death from covid' figures because they are not 'hard'.

Straw Man...

Total death figures from the ONS - they used to be your Gold Standard' but now you ignore them and worse, try to switcheroo to 'death from covid' figures... It would be funny if it wasn't so blatently obvious and pathetic...

Go on, comment on the ONS figures that you used to be so excited about!

Would be more, way more, than happy to pitch a 'global confirmed positives' guess for 13 September against your best guess, given that since you claimed the virus was RAPIDLY dying out almost everywhere 40 days ago the number of positive cases near doubled in a fifth of the time the first 9 million took.

Give me your guess based on your claim 40 days ago that the virus rapidly dying out almost everywhere and I will give you my guess and we can see who is most wrong.

Go on then... I guess <4,000 deaths...

I'm noting that you have once again done the switcheroo away from deaths and towards 'positives'...

Do you need me to remind you and quote your posts where you insisted that deaths was the only true measure of the disease?

Go on, tell me your daily deaths 7-day average for 13 September...

I also suspect / guess / predict however that you will NOT offer such a guess even though it was your idea

And once again, like Kiks you have been proven completely wrong!

Still, I'm sure you can put up a Straw Man or move the goalposts to come up with an 'I was right all along' argument!

See you in 40 days ErLolz!

[erolz66]

Total death figures from the ONS - they used to be your Gold Standard' but now you ignore them and worse, try to switcheroo to 'death from covid' figures... It would be funny if it wasn't so blatently obvious and pathetic...

Happy to competitive guess on any ONS total death figures you want. They are the 'hardest' numbers out there. That is just fact. As it is fact that confirmed positive cases is the 2nd hardest. Happy to competitive guess against a twit like you, with a track record like yours, on either

Go on, comment on the ONS figures that you used to be so excited about!

Year to date there have been 53 thousand more deaths in the UK than the 5 year average for that period. If the theory is that the virus killed only those who were going to die in the coming 3-5 months anyway and that the virus has been rapidly dying out (is England and Wales almost everywhere ?) since at least 25th June, as you claimed, then by year end this figure will be zero. Meaning you will need to see coming weeks that have negative amounts vs 5 year average not of 161 deaths but weeks with multiple thousands lower than 5 year average. I predict you will NOT see in coming weeks in the HARD ONS data a net reduction vs 5 year average in the remaining 22 weeks of 53,000.

So come on mr I am always right,what is YOUR number for ONS England Wales total year end excess deaths all causes vs 5 year average for 2020. If you believe everyone who has died of covid 19 to date was someone who was going to die in next 3-5 months anyway, then you have to put your number at zero. If you believe half of those who have died of it so far were people who were going to die within 5 months anyway and half were not you have to put this number at less than 26,500 and a lot lower than that if you believe deaths are being attributed to covid that are not from covid and many excess deaths to date are from lockdown and other things but not not covid. So what is you guess CG ? I will put min at 40k or higher. That is by year end there will have been in England and Wales over 40 thousand more deaths in 2020 than the 5 year average. What is YOUR number CG ?

Go on then... I guess <3,000 deaths...

3000 (known) deaths a DAY in 40 days time, from a virus that you claimed 40 days ago was 'rapidly dying out almost everywhere'. That is what you call 'rapidly dying out' is it ? I would suggest for a 'descent' to be reasonably described as 'rapid', the rate of descent over time would need to be quicker than the rate of ascent had been Otherwise the claim would just be hyperbole in my book.

Ill guess it will be a lot nearer at least 4k a day than it is 3k or less by 13 September. What is more I think we will have been lucky globally if it is below 3k per day by New Year and 6k by then seems just as possible to me as 3k.

Do you need me to remind you and quote your posts where you insisted that deaths was the only true measure of the disease?

You often 'threaten' to show things in people's previous posts but I have yet to see you ever actually do so This will be another example. You will not show even a single post where I have claimed that 'deaths is the only true measure of the disease' because such posts only exist in your head. What I have insisted and continue to insist is, if someone is dead or not is not disputable. What the cause of death might have been is a matter of opinion that can and does vary by opinion. That is just an inescapable truth and why total deaths all causes is the hardest kind of measure. That you make out I have ever said it is the 'only true measure of the disease' just shows the extent to which you will bend truth and reality to suit.

Go on, tell me your daily deaths 7-day average for 13 September...

I have above. 4k or higher.

I will also give you my 13 September , Hopkins confirmed positives in next 40 days, which is another 8 million people in next 40 days with a total of around 26 million cases globally. Still waiting for you guess on this one.

I have also given my ONS year end net excess deaths all causes above (40K or higher). Still waiting for your guess on this one as well.

I also suspect / guess / predict however that you will NOT offer such a guess even though it was your idea

And once again, like Kiks you have been proven completely wrong!

LOL. I asked for your guess of what total global confirmed positives will be by 13th September, you do NOT give me that guess and just repeat your guess at total deaths from covid and you think that has proven me wrong when I said you would not give me such a guess ?

Just to remind you there is one person who who HAS beyond reasonable doubt already been proven wrong. It is YOU CG - when you claimed June 25th that the virus was RAPIDLY dying out almost everywhere. It was not doing so and this has now been shown to be the case.

Still, I'm sure you can put up a Straw Man or move the goalposts to come up with an 'I was right all along' argument!

Never with the same level of determination you do You really are the most outrageously blatant practitioner of such behaviours as can be so clearly seen above

See you in 40 days ErLolz!

I have given you the prediction you wanted, I am still waiting for YOUR prediction that I asked for and have not given yet. Global confirmed positives by 13th Sept and ONS year end net excess deaths all causes vs 5 year average for whole year.

One final prediction from me for now. In 5 years time you will continue to appear to be as much of a twat based on your posting here as you do today and have done over the previous 5 years

You obviously have no idea (apart from anything else) as to the rental value of a 'luxury unused 2nd home with private cinema'

I have no idea about rental values and yet it is you that appears to be the one with property that remains unsold and unrented, for how long now ? Here is a suggestion for you, maybe there is a difference between what you think it's rental value is and what it actually is and there is some correlation between this error on your part and how long it has and will remain unrented or sold Still not to worry am sure the kids will soon work out its true value once it passes to them and have it sold or rented in a jiffy