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[erolz66]

Oh well, that's too bad. I feel sorry for them.

I wish them the best. I love Singapore.

FFS.

I don't need to click on anything. I have already done an analysis of the data and compared many countries over and over again, and I have also made sure I compare on an equal footing and take into consideration population. I have also supported my statements with links to data, and even tried to tell you about the cases per million which you chose to ignore either deliberately because you just wanted an opportunity to blame Trump, or because you are quite literally a dumb f@#k!

Your analysis of the data, that came up with the conclusion that Singapore is doing well just like South Korea was ENTIRELY WRONG. Your arrogance that tells you "I don't need to click on anything." prevents you from being able to see or understand why you were wrong. Your entire focus is on defending Trump regardless of any data or reason or logic whilst you claim it is others that are skewing the data to besmirch him. Can I call you an arrogant ignorant ideological fuckwit now ?

[Paphitis]

Oh well, that's too bad. I feel sorry for them.

I wish them the best. I love Singapore.

FFS.

I don't need to click on anything. I have already done an analysis of the data and compared many countries over and over again, and I have also made sure I compare on an equal footing and take into consideration population. I have also supported my statements with links to data, and even tried to tell you about the cases per million which you chose to ignore either deliberately because you just wanted an opportunity to blame Trump, or because you are quite literally a dumb f@#k!

Your analysis of the data, that came up with the conclusion that Singapore is doing well just like South Korea was ENTIRELY WRONG. Your arrogance that tells you "I don't need to click on anything." prevents you from being able to see or understand why you were wrong. Your entire focus is on defending Trump regardless of any data or reason or logic whilst you claim it is others that are skewing the data to besmirch him. Can I call you an arrogant ignorant fuckwit now ?

They were doing well. And they will probably turn it around again knowing them. And they are doing better than most countries with a low infection rate and because of the dip they had, that is going to flatten their peak when it occurs meaning they saved thousands from getting China Virus.

Whether Singapore does well or badly, wasn't my point at all. You are just clasping at anything. maybe you are looking for a hollow victory. Do you get the fact it doesn't matter to me and we were talking about something completely different and now all of a sudden you are changing the subject to Singapore?

My counter argument against yours was with the fact you were blaming Trump when it has nothing at all to do with him or other political leaders either.

[erolz66]

They were doing well. And they will probably turn it around again knowing them. And they are doing better than most countries with a low infection rate and because of the dip they had, that is going to flatten their peak when it occurs meaning they saved thousands from getting China Virus.

They did well initially because as a city state, authoritarian and where people obey rules, that moved fast, they were in the initial stages able to make containment pay dividends. This bought them some time but it did not get them off the curve. Ultimately it could not be contained at the borders and internally even for them in their unique position and with their speedy response. Once containment was breached they were on the exponential like everyone else and remain on it to date.

Whether Singapore does well or badly, wasn't my point at all. You are just clasping at anything. maybe you are looking for a hollow victory. Do you get the fact it doesn't matter to me and we were talking about something completely different and now all of a sudden you are changing the subject to Singapore?

YOU SAID

Singapore is another country that has it under control and they never closed schools, hadn't had widespread isolation and they didn't shut their economy. That's the model we are following.

Political dogma and WRONG.

My counter argument against yours was with the fact you were blaming Trump when it has nothing at all to do with him or other political leaders either.

South Korea has not got itself off the exponential by chance. It has done it by its political leaders moving fast, faster than Trump and moving smart, smarter than Trump. This is a reality that is unacceptable to your political dogma so can and do ignore anything that shows this to be the case.

[Paphitis]

They were doing well. And they will probably turn it around again knowing them. And they are doing better than most countries with a low infection rate and because of the dip they had, that is going to flatten their peak when it occurs meaning they saved thousands from getting China Virus.

They did well initially because as a city state, authoritarian and where people obey rules, that moved fast, they were in the initial stages able to make containment pay dividends. This bought them some time but it did not get them off the curve. Ultimately it could not be contained at the borders and internally even for them in their unique position and with their speedy response. Once containment was breached they were on the exponential like everyone else and remain on it to date.

Whether Singapore does well or badly, wasn't my point at all. You are just clasping at anything. maybe you are looking for a hollow victory. Do you get the fact it doesn't matter to me and we were talking about something completely different and now all of a sudden you are changing the subject to Singapore?

YOU SAID

Singapore is another country that has it under control and they never closed schools, hadn't had widespread isolation and they didn't shut their economy. That's the model we are following.

Political dogma and WRONG.

My counter argument against yours was with the fact you were blaming Trump when it has nothing at all to do with him or other political leaders either.

South Korea has not got itself off the exponential by chance. It has done it by its political leaders moving fast, faster than Trump and moving smart, smarter than Trump. This is a reality that is unacceptable to your political dogma so can and do ignore anything that shows this to be the case.

Singapore achieved a dramatic drop to near zero cases. I have no doubt they can do that again. Every drop is a victory and Singapore achieved that which is more than most countries.

The way we choose to fight and handle this China Virus isn't political dogma. We will do what we want and we will also accept the consequences. We actually want a country to be left for our children and grand children once it is over so our approach isn't one that will scorch and burn the economy completely. That is OUR decision to make.

You look at your own backyard because clearly, Europe should be a lot more worried than us.

For now, we are following the Singapore model and it looks like it's working for us.

[erolz66]

The way we choose to fight and handle this China Virus isn't political dogma. We will do what we want and we will also accept the consequences. We actually want a country to be left for our children and grand children once it is over so our approach isn't one that will scorch and burn the economy completely. That is OUR decision to make.

The countries that quickest manage to get off the exponential faster than if they just let it spread unchecked, like south korea, ARE the countries that will have most economy left for their children and grandchildren. If you want to ignore those countries that are making a difference because political dogma tells you that your leaders and leaders like Trump must be doing as well as can possibly be done because they are your chosen political side and no other reason, then it is your children and grandchildren that you are sacrificing on the alter of that political dogma.

[miltiades]

The way we choose to fight and handle this China Virus isn't political dogma. We will do what we want and we will also accept the consequences. We actually want a country to be left for our children and grand children once it is over so our approach isn't one that will scorch and burn the economy completely. That is OUR decision to make.

The countries that quickest manage to get off the exponential faster than if they just let it spread unchecked, like south korea, ARE the countries that will have most economy left for their children and grandchildren. If you want to ignore those countries that are making a difference because political dogma tells you that your leaders and leaders like Trump must be doing as well as can possibly be done because they are your chosen political side and no other reason, then it is your children and grandchildren that you are sacrificing on the alter of that political dogma.

You General is by far the BIGGEST ARSEHOLE to have ever been on this forum. Why dont you, as you did a few times before, fuck off and leave the forum to those who at least have even a few brain cells. Completeand utter IDIOT .

[erolz66]

South Korea - moved swiftly and moved smartly and it is paying off. All countries need to be looking at this example.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/corona ... 19-spread/

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03 ... s-success#

[erolz66]

In terms of looking to South Korea as the only large democratic country (50 million) to so far succeed in getting of the exponential, and trying to emulate their success then the kind of numbers that matter are not 'infections per million and the like'. They are things like 'targeted testing per million' which as of 17th march was 5200 per million in South Korea and 74 per million in the US.

Questions that should be being asked of governments, all of them, Cypriot, UK, Australian, US , and and , is where are things like

The national mobile phone alert system warns residents of the respective districts or localities when a fresh case is detected and carries a link to detailed information about the last few places which the patient had passed through. This alerts people who have visited the areas to monitor and report possible symptoms.

and

The government has developed two mobile phone applications to follow potential patients, with one of them being mandatory for people arriving in South Korea from high-risk areas – currently China, Hong Kong, Macao, Iran and the entirety of Europe – who are forced to answer daily questions about their possible symptoms.

The app forwards users to telecalling executives for arranging testing if they report developing symptoms.

The other app warns public officials whenever someone in quarantine leaves the isolation zone, although this depends on personal responsibility as downloading the application is not mandatory.

Emulating such things is first order priority. More important that sourcing more ventilators and ppe and the like, which are important but can only mitigate the worst outcomes of being on the curve, not get a country off it.

[Paphitis]

The way we choose to fight and handle this China Virus isn't political dogma. We will do what we want and we will also accept the consequences. We actually want a country to be left for our children and grand children once it is over so our approach isn't one that will scorch and burn the economy completely. That is OUR decision to make.

The countries that quickest manage to get off the exponential faster than if they just let it spread unchecked, like south korea, ARE the countries that will have most economy left for their children and grandchildren. If you want to ignore those countries that are making a difference because political dogma tells you that your leaders and leaders like Trump must be doing as well as can possibly be done because they are your chosen political side and no other reason, then it is your children and grandchildren that you are sacrificing on the alter of that political dogma.

No one is letting it spread unchecked. Every country is doing their best and implemented unprecedented measures. Not all of us are a totalitarian state like China and Russia and neither do we want to become one because one day all this China Virus stuff will be history.

The USA has closed its borders to certain countries. I am not sure if they have changed that but I do know I am allowed to travel there as I am now considered a resident of the US officially. same with my family. Plus Australian Government isn't allowed to stop me for the time being. That could change depending on what happens down the track.

Australia has closed its borders to all countries and only travel into Australia is allowed for Australian Citizens, residents and Immediate family.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/covid-19 ... n-or-spain

This is our response. It's not as draconian as some other countries who have completely shut down and isolated their entire populations, but the reason why is because we want to have an economy afterwards. we owe this to our children and sometimes it's better to lose a few thousand elderly than to condemn the next 2 generations to poverty.

And our response is targeted and it seems to be getting good results as we have managed to half our detection rate. If this continues, Australia is the next South Korea which is amazing for us.

The US will get there when they can. At the moment, they have the appropriate measures in place to see this through. Every measure introduced today will only result in changes in 14 days time.

Today, Australian PM came out and said that we are tracking very well and if this continues we will beat China Virus. Our Chief Medical Director said, Australia isn't Italy or Spain. Australia is one of the quickest to get off the exponential curve. We are officially off the curve.

So it looks like our measures are working. Our measures are similar to the USA.

[Paphitis]

The way we choose to fight and handle this China Virus isn't political dogma. We will do what we want and we will also accept the consequences. We actually want a country to be left for our children and grand children once it is over so our approach isn't one that will scorch and burn the economy completely. That is OUR decision to make.

The countries that quickest manage to get off the exponential faster than if they just let it spread unchecked, like south korea, ARE the countries that will have most economy left for their children and grandchildren. If you want to ignore those countries that are making a difference because political dogma tells you that your leaders and leaders like Trump must be doing as well as can possibly be done because they are your chosen political side and no other reason, then it is your children and grandchildren that you are sacrificing on the alter of that political dogma.

You General is by far the BIGGEST ARSEHOLE to have ever been on this forum. Why dont you, as you did a few times before, fuck off and leave the forum to those who at least have even a few brain cells. Completeand utter IDIOT .

You been on the vino again yero?

isolation must be getting to your head.