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[erolz66]

Back on topic some stats from latest John Hopkins numbers

Highest global daily positives to date

India highest daily positives to date
Chile 3rd highest daily positives to date
Mexico 2nd highest daily positives to date
Pakistan highest daily positives to date
Saudi Arabia highest daily positives to date
Bangladesh 2nd highest daily positives to date
South Africa 2nd highest daily positives to date
Sweden 2nd highest daily positives to date
Ukraine 2nd highest daily positives to date
Argentina highest daily positives to date
Dominican Republic highest daily positives to date
Oman highest daily positives to date
Panama highest daily positives to date
Iraq 2nd highest daily positives to date
Bolivia highest daily positives to date
Nigeria highest daily positives to date
Moldova highest daily positives to date
Azerbaijan 2nd highest daily positives to date

[Paphitis]

Back on topic some stats from latest John Hopkins numbers

Highest global daily positives to date

India highest daily positives to date
Chile 3rd highest daily positives to date
Mexico 2nd highest daily positives to date
Pakistan highest daily positives to date
Saudi Arabia highest daily positives to date
Bangladesh 2nd highest daily positives to date
South Africa 2nd highest daily positives to date
Sweden 2nd highest daily positives to date
Ukraine 2nd highest daily positives to date
Argentina highest daily positives to date
Dominican Republic highest daily positives to date
Oman highest daily positives to date
Panama highest daily positives to date
Iraq 2nd highest daily positives to date
Bolivia highest daily positives to date
Nigeria highest daily positives to date
Moldova highest daily positives to date
Azerbaijan 2nd highest daily positives to date

OK, solution is to close borders to these countries UFN.

The rest of us, back to normal thanks. Enough is enough for something with a 0.37% death rate.

[Paphitis]

Here is something for you all.

Straight from a medical virologist who works for the Royal Adelaide Hospital. According to him, about 85% of the population are going to get Chy-na Virus. According to him, this is the only way science knows we can build an immunity to it.

So if it comes in waves, then according to him, it's not a bad thing.

What they are worried about is we all getting it at the same time. Hence why we have restrictions.

Now that we know we are nowhere near inundating our Health Systems, then it's time to live our lives normally. Go to work, travel and just do all the normal things we use to.

[Londonrake]

Here is something for you all.

Straight from a medical virologist who works for the Royal Adelaide Hospital. According to him, about 85% of the population are going to get Chy-na Virus. According to him, this is the only way science knows we can build an immunity to it.

So if it comes in waves, then according to him, it's not a bad thing.

What they are worried about is we all getting it at the same time. Hence why we have restrictions.

Now that we know we are nowhere near inundating our Health Systems, then it's time to live our lives normally. Go to work, travel and just do all the normal things we use to.

You can say that as much as you want. I ain’t coming out.

[erolz66]

Australia population - 25 million

85% infection 0.37% IFR (from paphitis post above)

Means 78,625 dead Australians from Covid-19

[miltiades]

Australia population - 25 million

85% infection 0.37% IFR (from paphitis post above)

Means 78,625 dead Australians from Covid-19

Yes indeed , but how many from ....Chy_/=na virus ?
What a Plonker , takes after his hero Trump the idiot

[Tim Drayton]

Here is something for you all.

Straight from a medical virologist who works for the Royal Adelaide Hospital. According to him, about 85% of the population are going to get Chy-na Virus. According to him, this is the only way science knows we can build an immunity to it.

So if it comes in waves, then according to him, it's not a bad thing.

What they are worried about is we all getting it at the same time. Hence why we have restrictions.

Now that we know we are nowhere near inundating our Health Systems, then it's time to live our lives normally. Go to work, travel and just do all the normal things we use to.

There was an interview in Sunday’s Cyprus Mail with epidemiologist Petros Karayiannis, who was a leading member of the scientific committee advising the government on the coronavirus crisis.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/06/10/epid ... -his-life/

Note the following question and answer:

What if we’d somehow managed to shield the vulnerable groups? Could we have avoided the lockdown?
“Yes, we could have,” he replies candidly.

The lockdown fundamentalists here berate me for saying there was no need for the lockdown and all that was needed was to protect the vulnerable. Well, the Cyprus government’s leading advisor on the coronavirus vindicates what I have said.

The expert also says:

I think if there is a second wave it might be worse, because we don’t have sufficient herd immunity.

There you have it. Lock down as many times as you like but each time you reopen the virus will start spreading again until such time as you have immunity in the population. This is a law of nature and there is no way round it. Lockdowns are pointless apart from “flattening the curve” so that health facilities do not become overwhelmed.

However, it is noted in the same article:

“You should see the messages I get,” he adds with a rather grim laugh, messages from Facebook friends and anxious bystanders: “Come and see what’s happening at the Limassol seafront right now,” they write in alarm – or at the Limassol marina, or Finikoudes. One can only dread what might happen when tourists are added to the mix.

Somehow, the message does not get home. The more healthy under-50’s mingle, such as on the beach in Limassol, and the risk posed by the virus to these people is so negligible as to be virtually non-existent, the quicker immunity will build up and the virus will then be history.

[erolz66]

The lockdown fundamentalists here berate me .....

My consistent position from day one is that I do not and can not yet know if lockdown generically or in specific incidences will turn out to be net positive or negative. You do and can not know this. No one can know this with certainy yet.

Your consistent position from day one is that lockdown is the wrong thing to do.

One of us IS a fundamentalist on this issue and one of is NOT. The one accusing others of being fundamentalist is in fact the fundamentalist.

Lock down as many times as you like but each time you reopen the virus will start spreading again until such time as you have immunity in the population. This is a law of nature and there is no way round it. Lockdowns are pointless apart from “flattening the curve” so that health facilities do not become overwhelmed.

It has been pointed out to you time after time after time that delaying when someone catches the virus affects the outcomes for that person. The later you catch it the less chance it will kill or harm you as badly. This is so basic and obvious and is highlighted in the very video you posted yourself. It is because this virus is NOVEL - a basic fact you consistently ignore even though that difference is real and material and obvious. So why do you just keep ignoring this plain and simple reality ? The only logical explanation is you ignore it because it does not suit your narrative. 3 months ago the chance that you had bad covid-19 reaction and were killed by being intuabted on a ventilator was higher than it is today. 3 months ago you were likely to be treated with drugs of unknown efficacy. Today this less. Every week we get better at knowing how to treat the virus in order to save life and reduce morbidity. You just ignore this.

At the rate places like South Korea have managed the spread of the virus to date it would take 100+ years for them to reach herd immunity, if such is even possible which we do not know yet. What are the chances that within that 100 years time a vaccine or other prophylactic to prevent infection might be found ?

Polio in all countries used to main and kill millions globally. Today it does not. If people had followed your 'laws of nature' and accepted there was no way round them it would still be killing and maiming millions.

[Paphitis]

Australia population - 25 million

85% infection 0.37% IFR (from paphitis post above)

Means 78,625 dead Australians from Covid-19

We barely have had 7000 cases of Chy-na Virus. As of today, we have less than 400 active cases with 2 people in ICU. The whole situation is a massive laugh considering all the hysteric hyperbole.

Now, the reality is finally sinking in that Australia will have to keep its borders closed forever to countries like the USA, Chy-na, Italy, Spain, UK, Germany, Switzerland, etc etc. The list is endless.

Did they think this through? Well, as with anything, people are quick to react, but they do that without engaging their brains sometimes.

So tell me, for how long can Australia keep its borders closed to the US, UK and other EU countries.

As for Chy-na, they can keep that border shut forever. That country can go to hell.

[erolz66]

Australia population - 25 million

85% infection 0.37% IFR (from paphitis post above)

Means 78,625 dead Australians from Covid-19

We barely have had 7000 cases of Chy-na Virus. As of today, we have less than 400 active cases with 2 people in ICU. The whole situation is a massive laugh considering all the hysteric hyperbole.

Now, the reality is finally sinking in that Australia will have to keep its borders closed forever to countries like the USA, Chy-na, Italy, Spain, UK, Germany, Switzerland, etc etc. The list is endless.

Did they think this through? Well, as with anything, people are quick to react, but they do that without engaging their brains sometimes.

So tell me, for how long can Australia keep its borders closed to the US, UK and other EU countries.

As for Chy-na, they can keep that border shut forever. That country can go to hell.

Those are just the numbers. Your numbers. If 85% of pop will get it and if IFR is 0.37% that means 78k Australian deaths from it. It is like you are railing against maths.