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[erolz66]

By the way, I see where your next straw man is coming from. If you reject the exaggerated, alarmist portrayal of a flu-like virus as served up in particular by the Gates-funded media you must be an "anti vaxxer".

As ever I am trying to understand better. In this instance I am trying to understand what your personal views are with regards to vaccines generally and what advise you give on them to friends and family. That you appear so reluctant to share this information whilst continuing your propaganda conspiracy theory against the BMGF also provides me with some understanding.

[Tim Drayton]

By the way, I see where your next straw man is coming from. If you reject the exaggerated, alarmist portrayal of a flu-like virus as served up in particular by the Gates-funded media you must be an "anti vaxxer".

As ever I am trying to understand better. In this instance I am trying to understand what your personal views are with regards to vaccines generally and what advise you give on them to friends and family. That you appear so reluctant to share this information whilst continuing your propaganda conspiracy theory against the BMGF also provides me with some understanding.

The answer, "No, I don't" to the question, "Do you offer you offer your views and opinions to your friends and family as to if they should avoid flu and MMR vaccines or not ?" and the statement that I believe these to be personal decisions for those concerned strikes me as being a very clear and candid statement of my position.

[Londonrake]

Just for a light interlude.

I went into a pharmacy here last November, to enquire when they would have the year’s flu vaccine available. The place was quite busy, including, surprise, clearly sick people.

A couple of days later I woke up with a bout of the famous “flu-like symptoms”. It wasn’t too bad, certainly not debilitating or resulting in being bed ridden. Mrs L then got it as well. It lasted a week or so but, very unusually for us, left a quite persistent cough for about a month afterwards. I’ve wondered since. Could it have been Covid?

OK. Ding, ding. Seconds out.

[cyprusgrump]

Just for a light interlude.

I went into a pharmacy here last November, to enquire when they would have the year’s flu vaccine available. The place was quite busy, including, surprise, clearly sick people.

A couple of days later I woke up with a bout of the famous “flu-like symptoms”. It wasn’t too bad, certainly not debilitating or resulting in being bed ridden. Mrs L then got it as well. It lasted a week or so but, very unusually for us, left a quite persistent cough for about a month afterwards. I’ve wondered since. Could it have been Covid?

OK. Ding, ding. Seconds out.

I'm convinced Mrs. CyprusGrump had it too on her trip to the UK (bedridden for three days).

Of course, she generously shared it with me when she returned...

[Tim Drayton]

If you have two hours to spare, you might like to take a look at the following interview, which was taken down from YouTube but is available at the link below, Patrick Bet-David did with Dr Judy A Mikovits Ph.D. about such things as her experiences of working on viruses for government health agencies and with Anthony Fauci and how she was jailed to keep her quiet. A lot of it is relevant to the current pandemic, and she speaks about it in passing, describing Covid-19 as “propaganda masquerading as science”. If you enter her name at Google, you will get plenty of hits to so-called fact checking sites that describe her as being a “discredited scientist”, so make of it what you will. She strikes me as being a decent person trying to raise awareness about things that are patently wrong.

https://www.patrickbetdavid.com/former- ... orruption/

[Paphitis]

Yeah. I read it. But - “let’s not trade my expert with your expert”

Anyway.

Another Beeb missive on Bill today:

How Bill Gates became the voodoo doll of Covid conspiracies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52833706

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According to the above article from the Bill Gates Foundation-funded BBC, numbering among the “more outlandish conspiracy theories” are “claims that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has tested vaccines on children in Africa and India, leading to thousands of deaths and irreversible injuries. One post even suggested he is facing trial in India.”

Well, yes, Bill Gates may not be personally facing trail in India, but as the Daily Mail reports, a study funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in which it is claimed that children as young as nine suffered side-effects after being used as unwitting human guinea pigs for a new drug is the subject of a court case in India:

Judges demand answers after children die in controversial cancer vaccine trial in India

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... India.html

Speaking of India, the following article shows that as a result of a polio vaccination campaign given funding by the Bill Gates Foundation (although the article notes “The Government of India finally had to fund this hugely expensive programme, which cost the country 100 times more than the value of the initial grant”):

“While India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received.”

(I had to find a cached version of the article. Access to the original article seems to be blocked for some strange reason)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =1&vwsrc=0

In other words, it did more harm than good at great expense to the Indian government.

If you are looking for a more critical view of the activities of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation than you will find in the media financed by that foundation (e.g the BBC and The Guardian), I would recommend the following:

https://curtisresearch.org/wp-content/u ... -final.pdf

Perhaps these examples of botched efforts by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, maybe even well intentioned, to foist vaccines on whole populations help to explain why some of us get a shiver down our spines when we hear Gates talk about vaccinating seven billion people.

Why does this not surprise me?

But we are talking about people here who were regulars on Epstein's orgy island where minors under the age of 18 were sexually abused to varying degrees. He wasn't the only one either.

Now, is it any wonder why Epstein himself was done away with inside a US Federal Prison at a time where guards were all asleep and cameras were inoperable?

I can't say whether Gates was involved. I have no proof. I can't throw this mud against someone with no proof. I hope Bill Gates wasn't involved. I want to give him the benefit of doubt but I just got to say, anyone who new what was going on and didn't care is just as culpable.

[Paphitis]

... how many extra deaths will there be from flu in the winter of 2020/21 in the UK because people who otherwise could have been protected by taking an annual flu vaccine will not now do so because they are worried it has a Bill Gates tracking chip in it ?

Sorry, I forgot to congratulate you earlier. Every time I think you cannot possibly come up with a more outlandish and bizarre straw man argument, you pull yet another one out of the hat.

Do you take annual flu vaccine Tim ?

No.

Do you advise others, your friends and family to not take it ? Do you advise your children to not let their children get the MMR vaccine ?

It is a personal decision that is for everyone to take for themselves.

One of my tradies is a massive anti vaxxer. I do listen to his points and he now has my ear and makes some very interesting points indeed which I can't comment on anymore. It's his choice of course and he has some very deep concerns about it.

I took my flu injection this year.

But ironically, we might have the lowest flu season in many years because of social distancing.

[Paphitis]

It seems extraordinary - that a man who probably makes $500,000 every hour of the day in interest on his wealth, not to mention income, would want to get involved in all that shit.

There seems to be a lot of confusion between Bill Gates, the human being who amassed a great fortune mainly by getting the patent on software developed by others and then deriving monopoly profits from this, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which is a juristic entity. As to what motivates the former, one can only speculate, but I don't find it inconceivable that he could be motivated by a desire to convert his great wealth into political power, or to advance his own personal agendas (he seems to have an obsession with vaccines) or to gain personal glory (he seems to love being feted as a "health expert" in interviews on media outlets his foundation funds). On the other hand, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation appears to be acting, in the guise of philanthropy, as a front for a nexus of various powerful interest groups, at the very least big pharma, and to be furthering an agenda that serves these interests. A distinction needs to be drawn between the activities of the former, and the activites of the former when acting as front man for the latter, and the activities of the latter.

All these rich and powerful love setting up their philanthropic organisations and they benefit from the virtual signalling and publicity. And how philanthropic are they when we are talking about a man making millions in interest every day and he only donates a fraction?

The average man and woman however, who can only donate a small amount and don't do it for any recognition and those who donate their time at the soup kitchens are the real unsung heroes of our society.

People are having the wool pulled over their eyes.

I often wonder what their motives actually are as well. And how philanthropic can you be if you are involved in using children from third world countries as guinea pigs? The trafficking of small Children in Chy-na to be murdered so that their organs are harvested and sold on the black market to Western Countries is also rife. That is just deprave.

[Tim Drayton]

Gates' personal net wealth has increased from around 50 billion to over 100 billion since he started his "career in philanthropy" in 2010. Says it all, surely.

[erolz66]

Some of you need to look at your own historic posts about the politics of envy I think.

There is no evidence that Bill Gates was ever on Epstein's private island. None. The connections between Trump and Epstein are far greater than between Gates and Epstein. Fact.

https://www.philanthropy.com/article/Bu ... erg/241235