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[erolz66]

But, as you never tire of pointing out, ONS figures have shown a large increase in deaths from all causes in the past few weeks. Economic activity in the UK has also come to a forced standstill. Perhaps there is a causal relationship between the two.

Perhaps a large amount of the excess deaths seen are a result of large sections of some economic activity being shut down. Or perhaps the excess is connected to a novel virus the like of which has not been seen for 50 to 100 years. Occams razor.

As I have already explained, I don't understand the big issue with cases since the risk for healthy people is negligible. The quicker it spreads and thus ends, the better.

Try telling that to the face of the loved ones of people in the'r 30s and 40s and 50s and 60s and 70s that have died early from the virus to date, including the hundred plus healthy health care workers now dead from treating people with it. Tell them to their face that their loved one deaths are negligible and you might get a better understanding of the issue.

[cyprusgrump]

As I have already explained, I don't understand the big issue with cases since the risk for healthy people is negligible. The quicker it spreads and thus ends, the better.

Not much point explaining Tim, ErLolz just picks and chooses the FACTS that suit his argument while ignoring anything else...

However, we'll know soon as we are in the middle of a huge test of the Lockdown theory.

With mass protests in London we'll either see the 'vulnerable' protesters dropping life flies in a couple of weeks or nothing at all will happen...

I'm guessing the latter.

[erolz66]

With mass protests in London we'll either see the 'vulnerable' protesters dropping life flies in a couple of weeks or nothing at all will happen...

I'm guessing the latter.

We will either see significant increases in confirmed positives over next 2-3 months as lock down is eased, as more people ignore government messaging made worse by the Cumming's hypocrisy, or we will not. Those that catch it at demonstrations may not be that vulnerable but the point is they then subsequently come in to contact with those that are.

This however a pattern here of 'we will see'. It started with the ONS figures. It looks like 'Sweden' may be the next to go. As each of these fails to support the pre chosen theory of 'it is all over exaggerate hype driven by Bill Gates desire to micro chip the world' the supporters of this pre chosen theory just move on to other support for their pre chosen view. We know from past performance that nothing seen over time will change this for them. We know for example if the hopkins figures for new confirmed goes to 7 million or 17 million or 70 million or 700 million your view will not change. If deaths go to .5 million, 1 million, 5 million or 50 million you view will not change. Your position will not change because it never was about the numbers and evidence. It was, is and will remain for you a deep rooted emotional position and thus reality is irrelevant and unable to change that position. we can see this in action and it is fascinating to watch in it's own way.

[Tim Drayton]

... the pre chosen theory of 'it is all over exaggerate hype driven by Bill Gates desire to micro chip the world' ...

You do love your straw men, don't you?

[Tim Drayton]

Try telling that to the face of the loved ones of people in the'r 30s and 40s and 50s and 60s and 70s that have died early from the virus to date, including the hundred plus healthy health care workers now dead from treating people with it. Tell them to their face that their loved one deaths are negligible and you might get a better understanding of the issue.

You could just as equally say try defending the lockdown cult to the loved ones of those who have needlessly died of cancer during the lockdown due to such reasons:

We observed that a majority of patients with cancer or suspected cancer are not accessing healthcare services. Major declines in chemotherapy attendances (45%, 66%, 66% and 63% reduction; average=60%) and urgent cancer referrals for early diagnosis (70%, 74%, 89% and 71% reduction; average=76%) were observed in eight hospitals across the UK […] compared to pre-emergency levels.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _emergency

[cyprusgrump]

We know for example if the hopkins figures for new confirmed goes to 7 million or 17 million or 70 million or 700 million your view will not change. If deaths go to .5 million, 1 million, 5 million or 50 million you view will not change.

Hysterical nonsense...

There are still less than 400,000 deaths World Wide!

You don't work for the Daily Fail by any chance?

[Kikapu]

Try telling that to the face of the loved ones of people in the'r 30s and 40s and 50s and 60s and 70s that have died early from the virus to date, including the hundred plus healthy health care workers now dead from treating people with it. Tell them to their face that their loved one deaths are negligible and you might get a better understanding of the issue.

You could just as equally say try defending the lockdown cult to the loved ones of those who have needlessly died of cancer during the lockdown due to such reasons:

We observed that a majority of patients with cancer or suspected cancer are not accessing healthcare services. Major declines in chemotherapy attendances (45%, 66%, 66% and 63% reduction; average=60%) and urgent cancer referrals for early diagnosis (70%, 74%, 89% and 71% reduction; average=76%) were observed in eight hospitals across the UK […] compared to pre-emergency levels.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _emergency

I doubt anyone died from cancer because of lockdown. No one dies from cancer unless they were going to die from cancer anyway in that short space of time, lockdown or no lockdown. There may have been postponed cancer operations, but if the patient has died since the lockdown and the operation was not performed 2 months ago, the patient would not have lived any longer if the patient had the operation 2 months ago.

[cyprusgrump]

Try telling that to the face of the loved ones of people in the'r 30s and 40s and 50s and 60s and 70s that have died early from the virus to date, including the hundred plus healthy health care workers now dead from treating people with it. Tell them to their face that their loved one deaths are negligible and you might get a better understanding of the issue.

You could just as equally say try defending the lockdown cult to the loved ones of those who have needlessly died of cancer during the lockdown due to such reasons:

We observed that a majority of patients with cancer or suspected cancer are not accessing healthcare services. Major declines in chemotherapy attendances (45%, 66%, 66% and 63% reduction; average=60%) and urgent cancer referrals for early diagnosis (70%, 74%, 89% and 71% reduction; average=76%) were observed in eight hospitals across the UK […] compared to pre-emergency levels.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _emergency

I doubt anyone died from cancer because of lockdown. No one dies from cancer unless they were going to die from cancer anyway in that short space of time, lockdown or no lockdown. There may have been postponed cancer operations, but if the patient has died since the lockdown and the operation was not performed 2 months ago, the patient would not have lived any longer if the patient had the operation 2 months ago.

Errrrr.... But there are hundreds of thousands of people that have not been diagnosed with cancer and started their treatment directly because of Lockdown.

And as we know, early diagnoses and treatment is critical in Cancer - that is why they have (no longer running) screening programmes...

EDITED TO ADD:

I've mentioned previously that a friend with bladder cancer has had his treatment cancelled due to the Lockdown.

He is more likely to die because he cannot get his lifesaving treatment.

[Kikapu]

Try telling that to the face of the loved ones of people in the'r 30s and 40s and 50s and 60s and 70s that have died early from the virus to date, including the hundred plus healthy health care workers now dead from treating people with it. Tell them to their face that their loved one deaths are negligible and you might get a better understanding of the issue.

You could just as equally say try defending the lockdown cult to the loved ones of those who have needlessly died of cancer during the lockdown due to such reasons:

We observed that a majority of patients with cancer or suspected cancer are not accessing healthcare services. Major declines in chemotherapy attendances (45%, 66%, 66% and 63% reduction; average=60%) and urgent cancer referrals for early diagnosis (70%, 74%, 89% and 71% reduction; average=76%) were observed in eight hospitals across the UK […] compared to pre-emergency levels.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _emergency

I doubt anyone died from cancer because of lockdown. No one dies from cancer unless they were going to die from cancer anyway in that short space of time, lockdown or no lockdown. There may have been postponed cancer operations, but if the patient has died since the lockdown and the operation was not performed 2 months ago, the patient would not have lived any longer if the patient had the operation 2 months ago.

Errrrr.... But there are hundreds of thousands of people that have not been diagnosed with cancer and started their treatment directly because of Lockdown.

And as we know, early diagnoses and treatment is critical in Cancer - that is why they have (no longer running) screening programmes...

Now you are talking about a different issue. Yes, early detection for cancer is critical for surviving cancer. Considering most cancers develop over long period of time, and whether delay of 2-3 months makes a difference or not is debatable. Aside from breast screening and colonoscopy what other preventative screening is done for cancer? Perhaps a blood test for tumor markers, which may or may not work to indicate that there might be a tumor in the body.

There were no reasons which I can think of why some hospitals were not dedicated for non Covid-19 patients only, to serve other patients needing looking after. Perhaps at the time there were thousands of daily new cases after the UK went for the herd immunity route then change of strategy, which turned everything upside down that made every hospital a potential virus infested centers, as the UK still paying the price for the delayed lockdown.

[Tim Drayton]

I doubt anyone died from cancer because of lockdown.

Well, the academic study I quoted suggests that people have died due to the lack of availability of cancer treatment during the lockdown.