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[Tim Drayton]

Er ... no explanation as to how Belgium messed up? After all, this country followed the lockdown cult to the letter, as far as I am aware.

[Tim Drayton]

Coronavirus: Bill Gates ‘microchip’ conspiracy theory and other vaccine claims fact-checked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52847648

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From the article:

"We've found no evidence to support these claims.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation told the BBC the claim was "false"."

That's alright then. The foundation of the man who finances the BBC says it is "false". No other evidence needed, of course.

[erolz66]

Er ... no explanation as to how Belgium messed up? After all, this country followed the lockdown cult to the letter, as far as I am aware.

Explanation given here cyprus47300-1900.html#p897550 and just ignored by you so far. Use the numbers that are not fairly and directly comparable between the two countries and you get the result you want. Use the numbers that are fairly and directly comparable and you do not.

[Tim Drayton]

Coronavirus: Bill Gates ‘microchip’ conspiracy theory and other vaccine claims fact-checked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52847648

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From the BBC article:

“The article makes reference to a study, funded by The Gates Foundation, into a technology that could store someone's vaccine records in a special ink administered at the same time as an injection.

However, the technology is not a microchip and is more like an invisible tattoo.”

OK, so he wants impose quantum dot data tattoos on us, not microchips. That’s OK then.

[Tim Drayton]

Er ... no explanation as to how Belgium messed up? After all, this country followed the lockdown cult to the letter, as far as I am aware.

Explanation given here cyprus47300-1900.html#p897550 and just ignored by you so far. Use the numbers that are not fairly and directly comparable between the two countries and you get the result you want. Use the numbers that are fairly and directly comparable and you do not.

Well, to what extent are figures from different countries ever directly comparable? For example, Sweden is more densely populated (25 per square kilometre) than Norway (15 per square kilometre), a factor of considerable importance when it comes to epidemics.

[erolz66]

Er ... no explanation as to how Belgium messed up? After all, this country followed the lockdown cult to the letter, as far as I am aware.

Explanation given here cyprus47300-1900.html#p897550 and just ignored by you so far. Use the numbers that are not fairly and directly comparable between the two countries and you get the result you want. Use the numbers that are fairly and directly comparable and you do not.

Well, to what extent are figures from different countries ever directly comparable? For example, Sweden is more densely populated (25 per square kilometre) than Norway (15 per square kilometre), a factor of considerable importance when it comes to epidemics.

So first you compare Sweden with Belgium using numbers we know without doubt are being counted materially differently in each country to support your pre chosen position. Then when this fact is pointed out to you and a suggestion made that the better numbers to use are the ones counted exactly the same way in each country and that I have been talking about AND that many of the experts you cite also explicitly say are the best comparative numbers and that there is real scientific consensus about being the key metric because whilst not every country assigns cause of death the same way every one counts if someone is dead or not the same way, you then fall back to finding a difference between Sweden and a country that was NOT your original comparative country but an entirely different one. How does pop density compare between Sweden and Belgium ?

Just to be totally clear here. When you made you comparison using a non comparable metric, population density was NOT a factor to you at all. When it is pointed out that the metric you used and called out a 2nd time for not being addressed even though it had been, was not comparable between Belgium and Sweden and it is suggested that the metric that there is scientific consensus as being best one to use would be better, THEN all of a sudden relative pop density becomes a key factor. Not between Sweden and Belgium of course, as Belgium's pop density is massively greater than Sweden. No then pop densiıty between Sweden and Norway suddenly becomes a material factor in the comparison. Of course none of this is connected to the fact that if you use the metric that is comparable, that countless people from me to your own experts say is the one to use, it does not give the answer you need to fit your pre chosen position.

As ever to me you just show ever more clearly the degree to which you will twist numbers to fit what you to believe rather than use them to seek best understanding.

[Tim Drayton]

Er ... no explanation as to how Belgium messed up? After all, this country followed the lockdown cult to the letter, as far as I am aware.

Explanation given here cyprus47300-1900.html#p897550 and just ignored by you so far. Use the numbers that are not fairly and directly comparable between the two countries and you get the result you want. Use the numbers that are fairly and directly comparable and you do not.

Well, to what extent are figures from different countries ever directly comparable? For example, Sweden is more densely populated (25 per square kilometre) than Norway (15 per square kilometre), a factor of considerable importance when it comes to epidemics.

So first you compare Sweden with Belgium using numbers we know without doubt are being counted materially differently in each country to support your pre chosen position. Then when this fact is pointed out to you and a suggestion made that the better numbers to use are the ones counted exactly the same way in each country and that I have been talking about AND that many of the experts you cite also explicitly say are the best comparative numbers and that there is real scientific consensus about being the key metric because whilst not every country assigns cause of death the same way every one counts if someone is dead or not the same way, you then fall back to finding a difference between Sweden and a country that was NOT your original comparative country but an entirely different one. How does pop density compare between Sweden and Belgium ?

As ever to me you just show ever more clearly the degree to which you will twist numbers to fit what you to believe rather than use them to seek best understanding.

No, I was looking at the figures that supposedly show that Sweden has "messed up" and demonstrating that you could show that Belgium has "messed up" even more with the same figures. Otherwise, I am well aware how ridiculous it is to make crude comparisons between countries based on decontextualized data.

[Tim Drayton]

How Sweden "messed up":

Sweden’s economy actually grew in the first quarter after it opted against a full virus lockdown

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronav ... arter.html

You are imo simply calling it too early, just as you did with lauding how the ONS were showing no excess deaths. The economic cost if Sweden continues to allow the virus to spread at a rate grater than the rest of the EU are yet to accrue. No doubt if and when that cost is seen in figures you will just bang on about 'discrepancies' in those numbers and how you are 'keeping an open mind' on the numbers that do not show what you want whilst keeping your mind closed on everything else.

https://bchurchill.github.io/covidtrend ... ingtime=32

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As I have already explained, I don't understand the big issue with cases since the risk for healthy people is negligible. The quicker it spreads and thus ends, the better.

[Tim Drayton]

Forget the 1st quarter as it means nothing.

No wonder indoctrinees of the Bill Gates foundation-sponsored scare campaign want to forget the first quarter. It has been disastrous just about everywhere.

https://www.oecd.org/sdd/na/gdp-growth- ... 0-oecd.htm

How many lives were lost because of the 2008 recession ? How many were lost within 3 months of Lehman Brothers going in to administration. These are unknowable numbers. IMO it is because they are unknowable that you prefer them to the known fact numbers we do have because unlike those they allow you to believe anything you want to believe with no proof one way or another possible.

But proof is there in the form of the ONS figures for deaths from all causes, as you never tire of reminding us.

More to the point and despite your scare mongering exaggerating objective to make out GDP contraction directly leads to mass excess deaths such evidence is NOT seen in the ONS figures post 2008.

But, as you never tire of pointing out, ONS figures have shown a large increase in deaths from all causes in the past few weeks. Economic activity in the UK has also come to a forced standstill. Perhaps there is a causal relationship between the two.

[erolz66]

No, I was looking at the figures that supposedly show that Sweden has "messed up" and demonstrating that you could show that Belgium has "messed up" even more with the same figures. Otherwise, I am well aware how ridiculous it is to make crude comparisons between countries based on decontextualized data.

No you were not.

The architect of Sweden’s controversial lighter lockdown policy for dealing with coronavirus has for the first time conceded the Scandinavian country should have imposed more restrictions to avoid having such a high death toll.

https://www.ft.com/content/dae6d006-9ad ... a7841022e8

It was Anders Tegnell himself who said in the hindsight of the height death toll figures seen to date more severe lock down measures should have been used. You then chose to use figures for deaths attributed to covid-19 only tom compare with Belgium because you know Belgium counts such things differently and that would support your pre chosen position. When called out for doing this and pointed to the figures that are the best comparator you start banging on a about pop density differences. Not between Belgium and Sweden but between Norway and Sweden. It is as clear what you were doing and why as it is blatant imo.