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[Tim Drayton]

Germany’s federal government and mainstream media are engaged in damage control after a report that challenges the established Corona narrative leaked from the interior ministry.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/ ... lse-alarm/

[erolz66]

Germany’s federal government and mainstream media are engaged in damage control after a report that challenges the established Corona narrative leaked from the interior ministry.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/ ... lse-alarm/

Really Tim I am pretty much ignoring everything you post now because you post it. But one last time. This is the claim in your link.

Worldwide, within a quarter of a year, there has been no more than 250,000 deaths from Covid-19, compared to 1.5 million deaths [25,100 in Germany] during the influenza wave 2017/18. The danger is obviously no greater than that of many other viruses. There is no evidence that this was more than a false alarm.

This is what that claim looks like if you look at the hard fact data from the UK ONS figures, excess deaths all causes, comparing 2017/18 flu spike with the current outbreak. Series for 2017/18 runs from week 44 in 2017 to week 17 in 2018. 2020 figures run from week 1 2020 to week 20, latest we have numbers for.

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Some thing clearly does not add up here. The idea that the 2020 spike, that is massively higher than 2017/18 spike in England and Wales is down to non covid deaths , like suicide, or people having treatment for other things delayed, or starvation because of economic consequences or even from them not reporting or seeking treatment for other conditions, just does not add up. Anyway you keep plugging away in your 'search for truth' by taking only those things that support what you decided was true on day one and ignoring the best simplest clearest evidence we do have when that does not fit, if you like. I will look elsewhere myself and keep thinking for myself with my starting point being numbers, hard factual indisputable numbers.

[erolz66]

For completeness this is the chart comparing the 2014/15 and 2017/18 flu spikes of total deaths all causes vs 5 year average with the spike seen to date in 2020. This is not a media report, it is not a report or study from experts, it is not a news story. It is just me going to the source data on the ONS website and putting in the work to compare and chart the data there. This is what I use to measure media / expert claims that the current event is no different from previous flu spikes seen every 5 to 10 years.

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[erolz66]

As for things not getting much coverage in the MSM and in relation to surgeries being delayed because of covid-19 there is this.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/u ... y-18330353

[Tim Drayton]

The anomalies continue to appear:

“A state-by-state analysis shows that deaths officially attributed to covid-19 only partially account for unusually high mortality during the pandemic.”

“For the most part, the states that continue to maintain especially restrictive social distancing rules are those that suffered the largest numbers of excess deaths.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... eaths-may/

[Tim Drayton]

Really Tim I am pretty much ignoring everything you post now because you post it. But one last time. This is the claim in your link.

Worldwide, within a quarter of a year, there has been no more than 250,000 deaths from Covid-19, compared to 1.5 million deaths [25,100 in Germany] during the influenza wave 2017/18. The danger is obviously no greater than that of many other viruses. There is no evidence that this was more than a false alarm.

This is what that claim looks like if you look at the hard fact data from the UK ONS figures, excess deaths all causes, comparing 2017/18 flu spike with the current outbreak. ...

Thank you for making an exception and looking at this article.

I think you have rather missed the point, though. The figures as quoted were current at the time the report was compiled. However, the point at issue here is that the German government suppressed an official report produced by experts that questioned the hysterical dominant narrative about the virus.

[erolz66]

I think you have rather missed the point, though. The figures as quoted were current at the time the report was compiled.

And at that time the UK figures were at their very peak totally contradicting the claims that "The danger is obviously no greater than that of many other viruses. There is no evidence that this was more than a false alarm." At the time the report was issues there was very clear evidence using the simplest most reliable indisputable credible numbers from the ONS that the danger had already resulted in excess deaths far greater than any other viruses since at least 1957/8 and probably since 1917/18.

However, the point at issue here is that the German government suppressed an official report produced by experts that questioned the hysterical dominant narrative about the virus.

Suppressing would have been to not allow the public release of the report at all. What you see as suppression I see as an attempt to not overplay a report that was clearly at odds with the hard known evidence from places like the UK.

You continue to appear to place more weight on alleged conspiracy to support what you decided was the case from day one whilst simultaneously ignoring the plain simple facts we do already have that do not fit so well that pre chosen position. Knock yourself out.

[erolz66]

The anomalies continue to appear:

“A state-by-state analysis shows that deaths officially attributed to covid-19 only partially account for unusually high mortality during the pandemic.”

“For the most part, the states that continue to maintain especially restrictive social distancing rules are those that suffered the largest numbers of excess deaths.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... eaths-may/

It is like we are reading totally different things. The over ridding theme throughout this piece is that the single most likely explanation between the total excess deaths and those deaths attributed to covid=19 is UNDER counting of deaths attributed to covid=19.

The Yale-led analysis, however, suggests that the actual number of people who have died because of the pandemic is far greater than the official government death tallies.

The state-by-state analysis indicates that, as testing has become more widely available, covid-19 deaths have accounted for larger and larger percentages of the excess deaths.

A contributing factor to the discrepancy could be that South Carolina is testing relatively few people for the coronavirus, making it less likely that such cases will be diagnosed, said Farzad Mostashari, a doctor and technologist based in Bethesda, Md., who is part of the research team that conducted the analysis for The Post.

Nationally, between March 1 and May 9, covid-19 deaths accounted for about 74 percent of excess deaths. The gap between excess deaths and those attributed to covid-19 has narrowed significantly since the early weeks of the outbreak. In the week ending March 28, only about half of the excess deaths were attributed to covid-19. In the week ending May 2, the proportion had risen to 81 percent.

That is a common pattern in an epidemic, said Robert N. Anderson, chief of mortality statistics at the NCHS.

“In the early stages, when physicians are less familiar with the disease and not looking or testing for it, cases are more likely to be misdiagnosed and attributed to other causes,” Anderson said. “As the epidemic progresses and physicians see more and more cases, they are increasingly likely to correctly diagnose the disease and report it accordingly.”

[Tim Drayton]

Sweden’s economy actually grew in the first quarter after it opted against a full virus lockdown

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronav ... arter.html

[Tim Drayton]

The over ridding theme throughout this piece is that the single most likely explanation between the total excess deaths and those deaths attributed to covid=19 is UNDER counting of deaths attributed to covid=19.

Most likely. Yes, so it is not certain, and there could be other factors at play.