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[Tim Drayton]

Techno-Tyranny: How The US National Security State Is Using Coronavirus To Fulfill An Orwellian Vision

https://www.activistpost.com/2020/04/te ... 2MbLkwE5KE

Could the author be right? She concludes: “We ignore the rapid advance of these NSCAI-promoted initiatives and the phasing out of so-called “legacy systems” (and with them, many long-cherished freedoms) at our own peril.” If she is, you’d better find out about it while you still can.

[Kikapu]

The lockdown is killing people and the spikes in deaths, since these are total deaths from all causes, could just as well be a reflection of this.

Tim, life is constantly like the movie "Sliding Doors", so, just because some people have died (not related to Covid-19) because of the lockdowns, some other people lived because of lockdowns as well. It would be a wash more than likely, although, perhaps more may have lived with the lockdown by having less stress being stuck in traffic, stress at work, eating shit at fast food places, drinking and driving, more planes falling out of the skies, hazardous environmental causes, not to mention less people have gotten the virus and died. You cannot only mention of those who may have died because of the lockdowns and not mention of those who may have lived because of the lockdowns.

Yes, but how many are killed for each life saved?

Sliding Doors, Tim. One cannot tell one way or the other.

[Paphitis]

Techno-Tyranny: How The US National Security State Is Using Coronavirus To Fulfill An Orwellian Vision

https://www.activistpost.com/2020/04/te ... 2MbLkwE5KE

Could the author be right? She concludes: “We ignore the rapid advance of these NSCAI-promoted initiatives and the phasing out of so-called “legacy systems” (and with them, many long-cherished freedoms) at our own peril.” If she is, you’d better find out about it while you still can.

I don’t know about the US National Security State.

The US has various Agencies which have functions in National Security just like all countries - US Military, National Guard, FBI, NSA, CIA etc.

Already, there are a number of laws which give the NSA the ability to intercept metadata of whoever they like.

It’s the same in Australia and the other 12 eyes, 8 of which are EU countries. Germany being the most strict of the 14 from my understanding.

They don’t need Chy-na Virus to be able to track people. Since September 11, they have all the legal means to do what they need.

[Paphitis]

The lockdown is killing people and the spikes in deaths, since these are total deaths from all causes, could just as well be a reflection of this.

Tim, life is constantly like the movie "Sliding Doors", so, just because some people have died (not related to Covid-19) because of the lockdowns, some other people lived because of lockdowns as well. It would be a wash more than likely, although, perhaps more may have lived with the lockdown by having less stress being stuck in traffic, stress at work, eating shit at fast food places, drinking and driving, more planes falling out of the skies, hazardous environmental causes, not to mention less people have gotten the virus and died. You cannot only mention of those who may have died because of the lockdowns and not mention of those who may have lived because of the lockdowns.

Yes, but how many are killed for each life saved?

Sliding Doors, Tim. One cannot tell one way or the other.

I bet they can tell once they research the statistics and look at suicide rates.

But they will never admit to the suicide rate spikes being due to the lockdowns.

[Londonrake]

Lockdown in Turkey:

Coronavirus: How Turkey took control of Covid-19 emergency https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52831017

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[Kikapu]

The lockdown is killing people and the spikes in deaths, since these are total deaths from all causes, could just as well be a reflection of this.

Tim, life is constantly like the movie "Sliding Doors", so, just because some people have died (not related to Covid-19) because of the lockdowns, some other people lived because of lockdowns as well. It would be a wash more than likely, although, perhaps more may have lived with the lockdown by having less stress being stuck in traffic, stress at work, eating shit at fast food places, drinking and driving, more planes falling out of the skies, hazardous environmental causes, not to mention less people have gotten the virus and died. You cannot only mention of those who may have died because of the lockdowns and not mention of those who may have lived because of the lockdowns.

Yes, but how many are killed for each life saved?

Sliding Doors, Tim. One cannot tell one way or the other.

I bet they can tell once they research the statistics and look at suicide rates.

But they will never admit to the suicide rate spikes being due to the lockdowns.

First of all, it seems Cyprus had the harshest lockdowns anywhere for about 2 months, as the rest of the world only had moderate lockdowns. Are you saying people killed themselves because they couldn’t go out to work, bars, coffee shops for couple of months? Most European governments gave financial assistance to many businesses and workers so where are the pressures for anyone to kill themselves. Even if there were to be a spike in suicide rates, who is to say they were not going to commit suicide anyway in the near future, just like the argument is used by some, that the higher death rate on the elderly are those who would have died anyway in the near future even if there were no Covid-19?

[DT.]

The lockdown is killing people and the spikes in deaths, since these are total deaths from all causes, could just as well be a reflection of this.

Tim, life is constantly like the movie "Sliding Doors", so, just because some people have died (not related to Covid-19) because of the lockdowns, some other people lived because of lockdowns as well. It would be a wash more than likely, although, perhaps more may have lived with the lockdown by having less stress being stuck in traffic, stress at work, eating shit at fast food places, drinking and driving, more planes falling out of the skies, hazardous environmental causes, not to mention less people have gotten the virus and died. You cannot only mention of those who may have died because of the lockdowns and not mention of those who may have lived because of the lockdowns.

Yes, but how many are killed for each life saved?

Sliding Doors, Tim. One cannot tell one way or the other.

I bet they can tell once they research the statistics and look at suicide rates.

But they will never admit to the suicide rate spikes being due to the lockdowns.

First of all, it seems Cyprus had the harshest lockdowns anywhere for about 2 months, as the rest of the world only had moderate lockdowns. Are you saying people killed themselves because they couldn’t go out to work, bars, coffee shops for couple of months? Most European governments gave financial assistance to many businesses and workers so where are the pressures for anyone to kill themselves. Even if there were to be a spike in suicide rates, who is to say they were not going to commit suicide anyway in the near future, just like the argument is used by some, that the higher death rate on the elderly are those who would have died anyway in the near future even if there were no Covid-19?

yep, Cyprus was a top global performer on locking down and opening back up again with zero daily new cases for now. Country handled it magnificently and last night had an awesome dinner in one of my favourite restaurants with masked waiters, social distancing seating and great wine. No suicides here.

[Kikapu]

The lockdown is killing people and the spikes in deaths, since these are total deaths from all causes, could just as well be a reflection of this.

Tim, life is constantly like the movie "Sliding Doors", so, just because some people have died (not related to Covid-19) because of the lockdowns, some other people lived because of lockdowns as well. It would be a wash more than likely, although, perhaps more may have lived with the lockdown by having less stress being stuck in traffic, stress at work, eating shit at fast food places, drinking and driving, more planes falling out of the skies, hazardous environmental causes, not to mention less people have gotten the virus and died. You cannot only mention of those who may have died because of the lockdowns and not mention of those who may have lived because of the lockdowns.

Yes, but how many are killed for each life saved?

Sliding Doors, Tim. One cannot tell one way or the other.

I bet they can tell once they research the statistics and look at suicide rates.

But they will never admit to the suicide rate spikes being due to the lockdowns.

First of all, it seems Cyprus had the harshest lockdowns anywhere for about 2 months, as the rest of the world only had moderate lockdowns. Are you saying people killed themselves because they couldn’t go out to work, bars, coffee shops for couple of months? Most European governments gave financial assistance to many businesses and workers so where are the pressures for anyone to kill themselves. Even if there were to be a spike in suicide rates, who is to say they were not going to commit suicide anyway in the near future, just like the argument is used by some, that the higher death rate on the elderly are those who would have died anyway in the near future even if there were no Covid-19?

yep, Cyprus was a top global performer on locking down and opening back up again with zero daily new cases for now. Country handled it magnificently and last night had an awesome dinner in one of my favourite restaurants with masked waiters, social distancing seating and great wine. No suicides here.

Did you not have the Chocolate Suicide Cake for dessert?

That would have done you in if you had eaten it!

[erolz66]

yep, Cyprus was a top global performer on locking down and opening back up again with zero daily new cases for now. Country handled it magnificently and last night had an awesome dinner in one of my favourite restaurants with masked waiters, social distancing seating and great wine. No suicides here.

Be fair its not just suicides that could account for the 12,00 excess deaths seen in a single week in England and Wales. There is also all those who starved to death there because of the economic damage of lock down as well.

[DT.]

missed the entire argument before this so I'll hazard a guess and say you're kidding....right?