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[Tim Drayton]

Those figures are total deaths from all causes.

[erolz66]

Those figures are total deaths from all causes.

Yes the metric you yourself used until they stopped showing what you wanted, the ones the spectator article you quoted said are 'the simplest way to judge whether we have an exceptionally lethal disease', the ones that Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at the University of Oxford said were the key ones in the video you posted, the ones that the FT article I posted earlier claimed were "internationally recognised as the best way to compare countries’ performance in handling infectious diseases", the ones Chris Whitty, the UK’s chief medical officer called 'the key metric'. The ones another quoted expert said 'have the advantage of not having been monkeyed about with'.

Yep , those ones. You know the ones that are just historic counts of indisputable status of 'dead or not dead'. Yep those ones.

[Tim Drayton]

Those figures are total deaths from all causes.

Yes the metric you yourself used until they stopped showing what you wanted, the ones the spectator article you quoted said are 'the simplest way to judge whether we have an exceptionally lethal disease', the ones that Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at the University of Oxford said were the key ones in the video you posted, the ones that the FT article I posted earlier claimed were "internationally recognised as the best way to compare countries’ performance in handling infectious diseases", the ones Chris Whitty, the UK’s chief medical officer called 'the key metric'. The ones another quoted expert said 'have the advantage of not having been monkeyed about with'.

Yep , those ones. You know the ones that are just historic counts of indisputable status of 'dead or not dead'. Yep those ones.

When Dr John Lee penned those words in his Spectator article, he was right because the hysterical narrative being whipped up in the media implied that people were dying left, right and centre at that time (not that there would be a spike in deaths later) and this was not borne out by the statistics. The media was shown to be lying at the time.

The lockdown is killing people and the spikes in deaths, since these are total deaths from all causes, could just as well be a reflection of this.

https://www.anti-empire.com/if-you-clam ... his-video/

[erolz66]

The lockdown is killing people and the spikes in deaths, since these are total deaths from all causes, could just as well be a reflection of this.

Are you seriously suggesting that the know fact spike in excess deaths in the figures for England and Wales could be down to incidents like the one in the video ? Really who here is exaggerating and sensationalising to suit a pre chosen narrative Tim ?

Have you heard of Occam's razor ?

[erolz66]

When Dr John Lee penned those words in his Spectator article, he was right because the hysterical narrative being whipped up in the media implied that people were dying left, right and centre at that time (not that there would be a spike in deaths later) and this was not borne out by the statistics. The media was shown to be lying at the time.

Can you understand and accept the idea that if measures are to be taken, or even considered, in order to try and save lives, these are probably best considered and taken before people have died and before you know exactly how many are going to die ?

[Kikapu]

The lockdown is killing people and the spikes in deaths, since these are total deaths from all causes, could just as well be a reflection of this.

Tim, life is constantly like the movie "Sliding Doors", so, just because some people have died (not related to Covid-19) because of the lockdowns, some other people lived because of lockdowns as well. It would be a wash more than likely, although, perhaps more may have lived with the lockdown by having less stress being stuck in traffic, stress at work, eating shit at fast food places, drinking and driving, more planes falling out of the skies, hazardous environmental causes, not to mention less people have gotten the virus and died. You cannot only mention of those who may have died because of the lockdowns and not mention of those who may have lived because of the lockdowns.

[erolz66]

The lockdown is killing people and the spikes in deaths, since these are total deaths from all causes, could just as well be a reflection of this.

Also please ignore that in Sweden the excess deaths all causes is of a similar scale to the UK in proportion to population size and relative to previous flu spike seen every 5-10 years there.

[Tim Drayton]

An organization named “Medical Professionals and Scientists for Health, Freedom and Democracy” has been formed in Germany. For more details:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/28/med ... democracy/

[Tim Drayton]

The lockdown is killing people and the spikes in deaths, since these are total deaths from all causes, could just as well be a reflection of this.

Tim, life is constantly like the movie "Sliding Doors", so, just because some people have died (not related to Covid-19) because of the lockdowns, some other people lived because of lockdowns as well. It would be a wash more than likely, although, perhaps more may have lived with the lockdown by having less stress being stuck in traffic, stress at work, eating shit at fast food places, drinking and driving, more planes falling out of the skies, hazardous environmental causes, not to mention less people have gotten the virus and died. You cannot only mention of those who may have died because of the lockdowns and not mention of those who may have lived because of the lockdowns.

Yes, but how many are killed for each life saved?

[Tim Drayton]

Another little strand in the web - for those that can see:

https://www.businessinsider.com/moncef- ... ?r=US&IR=T