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[cyprusgrump]

No I do not consider the numbers reported as Chy-na Virus deaths as real. I believe the numbers have been over stated with deaths being attributed to Chy-na Virus even though the patients were already terminally ill from cancer and so on.

And the numbers for total deaths from all causes ? Do you believe these ? It is literally like talking to a brick wall at times.

And yet you refuse to believe the 'excess deaths' are from any other cause than the virus...

It is literally like talking to a brick wall at times.

I have never said this. In fact I said the opposite multiple times.

What I have said is you can gauge the scale of this event vs previous events using the same numbers for each example. Previous events like periodic flu spikes that occur every 5 to 10 years or once in life time events like 1967/8 flu epidemic, or once in hundred years events like 1917/8 global pandemic all have excess deaths in their total deaths all causes numbers that were not directly from the specific virus concerned. The comparison in terms of relative scale is sound. It allows us to compare like with like to get an idea of the scale of this current event relative to previous ones. It can be done without having to use any 'dubious' figures at all, just known counts of 100% certain status (dead or not dead). Some refuse to accept this because such does not give them the result they want so instead they use numbers that are dubious while ignoring the ones that are not and what they can tell us. This is not rocket science.

As long as you ignore the point I am making, claim I have said things that I have not said, then yes I am likely to respond to correct you. What I have been saying consistently is simple and clear. That months on you still misrepresent it is not my problem or fault. It is yours.

And yet the report on suicides (apologies Tim, I didn't realise you had already posted it) is irrelevant because I don't personally know anybody affected...?

[miltiades]

Haven't you yet seen a psychiatrist General? Or at least learn the correct name of the world's most populous nation as well as the universally known known of the pandemic. What a fucking idiot, take after your idiot hero Tr-amp.!!

Ahhhhh! Milti’s back.

Hi C
I think its a well known fact that I have a low level of tolerance to blatant stupidity.
This immature idiot , you know the one that thinks the sun shines out of Trumps arse, that forum members are stupid and will take without a challenge all the shit that he posts, there is of course one more fucking idiot but will remain .....anonymous for now untill he places that stupid bucket close to his brain, his arsehole.

[erolz66]

No I do not consider the numbers reported as Chy-na Virus deaths as real. I believe the numbers have been over stated with deaths being attributed to Chy-na Virus even though the patients were already terminally ill from cancer and so on.

And the numbers for total deaths from all causes ? Do you believe these ? It is literally like talking to a brick wall at times.

And yet you refuse to believe the 'excess deaths' are from any other cause than the virus...

It is literally like talking to a brick wall at times.

I have never said this. In fact I said the opposite multiple times.

What I have said is you can gauge the scale of this event vs previous events using the same numbers for each example. Previous events like periodic flu spikes that occur every 5 to 10 years or once in life time events like 1967/8 flu epidemic, or once in hundred years events like 1917/8 global pandemic all have excess deaths in their total deaths all causes numbers that were not directly from the specific virus concerned. The comparison in terms of relative scale is sound. It allows us to compare like with like to get an idea of the scale of this current event relative to previous ones. It can be done without having to use any 'dubious' figures at all, just known counts of 100% certain status (dead or not dead). Some refuse to accept this because such does not give them the result they want so instead they use numbers that are dubious while ignoring the ones that are not and what they can tell us. This is not rocket science.

As long as you ignore the point I am making, claim I have said things that I have not said, then yes I am likely to respond to correct you. What I have been saying consistently is simple and clear. That months on you still misrepresent it is not my problem or fault. It is yours.

And yet the report on suicides (apologies Tim, I didn't realise you had already posted it) is irrelevant because I don't personally know anybody affected...?

I never said it is irrelevant when looking at the difference between excess deaths of this event vs those attributed to covid-19. It is irrelevant when using total deaths all causes of THIS event to compare scale with total deaths all causes of previous events. The clue to its irrelevance is in the words 'all causes'.

Even when looking at just this event and reasons why total excess is greater than deaths attributed to covid-19 , and ignoring the simple explanation for the bulk of this discrepancy of under reporting of covid-19 deaths outside hospitals and deaths from delays in seeking treatment for other conditions, AND ignoring the evidence from places like Japan that there as been a significant DROP in suicide deaths there in the month of April vs last year, the numbers still do not add up. At it's peak the number of deaths DAILY attributed to cvoid-19 was pushing 1000 per day. It is inconceivable to me that suicides in this period got close to this scale of daily deaths without it being reported widely in the media. I would suggest it is inconceivable to any ration person not totally driven by the needs to confirm their bias. This is not rocket science.

So once again you just ignore the simple plain point I am making about judging scale of this event to previous ones using EXACTLY the same measure for each , a measure that is just a known count of a binary status (dead or not) and instead go off on some spurious rant about suicides.

[cyprusgrump]

Haven't you yet seen a psychiatrist General? Or at least learn the correct name of the world's most populous nation as well as the universally known known of the pandemic. What a fucking idiot, take after your idiot hero Tr-amp.!!

Ahhhhh! Milti’s back.

Hi C
I think its a well known fact that I have a low level of tolerance to blatant stupidity.
This immature idiot , you know the one that thinks the sun shines out of Trumps arse, that forum members are stupid and will take without a challenge all the shit that he posts, there is of course one more fucking idiot but will remain .....anonymous for now untill he places that stupid bucket close to his brain, his arsehole.

You haven't washed your mouth out with soap since you've been away then potty mouth...?

[cyprusgrump]

No I do not consider the numbers reported as Chy-na Virus deaths as real. I believe the numbers have been over stated with deaths being attributed to Chy-na Virus even though the patients were already terminally ill from cancer and so on.

And the numbers for total deaths from all causes ? Do you believe these ? It is literally like talking to a brick wall at times.

And yet you refuse to believe the 'excess deaths' are from any other cause than the virus...

It is literally like talking to a brick wall at times.

I have never said this. In fact I said the opposite multiple times.

What I have said is you can gauge the scale of this event vs previous events using the same numbers for each example. Previous events like periodic flu spikes that occur every 5 to 10 years or once in life time events like 1967/8 flu epidemic, or once in hundred years events like 1917/8 global pandemic all have excess deaths in their total deaths all causes numbers that were not directly from the specific virus concerned. The comparison in terms of relative scale is sound. It allows us to compare like with like to get an idea of the scale of this current event relative to previous ones. It can be done without having to use any 'dubious' figures at all, just known counts of 100% certain status (dead or not dead). Some refuse to accept this because such does not give them the result they want so instead they use numbers that are dubious while ignoring the ones that are not and what they can tell us. This is not rocket science.

As long as you ignore the point I am making, claim I have said things that I have not said, then yes I am likely to respond to correct you. What I have been saying consistently is simple and clear. That months on you still misrepresent it is not my problem or fault. It is yours.

And yet the report on suicides (apologies Tim, I didn't realise you had already posted it) is irrelevant because I don't personally know anybody affected...?

I never said it is irrelevant when looking at the difference between excess deaths of this event vs those attributed to covid-19. It is irrelevant when using total deaths all causes of THIS event to compare scale with total deaths all causes of previous events.

Even when looking at just this event and reasons why total excess is greater than deaths attributed to covid-19 , and ignoring the simple explanation for the bulk of this discrepancy of under reporting of covid-19 deaths outside hospitals and deaths from delays in seeking treatment for other conditions, AND ignoring the evidence from places like Japan that there as been a significant DROP in suicide deaths there in the month of April vs last year, the numbers still do not add up. At it's peak the number of deaths DAILY attributed to cvoid-19 was pushing 1000 per day. It is inconceivable to me that suicides in this period got close to this scale of daily deaths without it being reported widely in the media. I would suggest it is inconceivable to any ration person not totally driven by the needs to confirm their bias. This is not rocket science.

So once again you just ignore the simple plain point I am making about judging scale of this event to previous ones using EXACTLY the same measure for each , a measure that is just a known count of a binary status (dead or not) and instead go off on some spurious rant about suicides.

There you go again...

I merely posted a report from American doctors about unusually high suicide rates which could be contributing to the 'excess deaths'...

But no, because it doesn't agree with your predetermined position it is a spurious rant!

[erolz66]

But no, because it doesn't agree with your predetermined position it is a spurious rant!

It IS spurious in terms of using total deaths all causes of this event to gauge it scale vs total death all causes of previous events.

It is also an example where you show preference for anecdotal reports from tiny number of individuals citing an tiny 'sample' , extrapolated up OVER evidence from national counts from countries like Japan which according to reports have shown a DROP in suicides since lock down there in the early months (till end of April).

This is not rocket science.

[Kikapu]

This is a very good article which tends to supports most members position on Covid-19, from IFR to CFR death percentages and much much more.

8 countries have coronavirus death rates above 10%, either due to disaster or limited testing

The coronavirus' death rate — a calculation of deaths out of total confirmed cases — varies by place and population.

Eight countries currently have death rates higher than 10%, while others are lower than 1%.

Factors like a population's average age, a country's testing capacity, and government responses can influence the death rate.

Experts think the true death rate may be as low as 1% if everybody were tested, but that's still far deadlier than the flu.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

As countries loosen coronavirus restrictions and businesses reopen, a crucial question informs how governments move forward: Just how deadly is COVID-19?

The most straightforward answer may seem to be the "case fatality rate," a calculation of the number of known deaths out of the total number of confirmed cases. But it doesn't tell the full story.

Globally, that death rate was 6.7% as of Wednesday, according to the World Health Organization; it has hovered around 7% since mid-April.

That's a significant increase from March, when the death rate was around 3.4%. But that doesn't necessarily mean the virus has changed, since death-rate calculations depend on how many cases are confirmed by tests. The high global death rate could point to coronavirus testing limitations across the globe.

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https://news.yahoo.com/8-countries-coro ... 00138.html

[Paphitis]

Haven't you yet seen a psychiatrist General? Or at least learn the correct name of the world's most populous nation as well as the universally known known of the pandemic. What a fucking idiot, take after your idiot hero Tr-amp.!!

Do you mean Chy-na!

The Chy-nese CCCP mini me is a terrible thing because they are arseholes to Hong Kong and Taiwan and every other country in the South China Sea. You can say thank you to Australia and some EU countries like Germany who have stood up to the Chy-nese and managed to instigate an investigation.

Your Welcome yero!

The charade is over yero. Chy-na just got butfucked and will be reeling from this for decades now.

And my my, you seem all over the place. You support Arsad, and Pootin, because you were cuntstuck by a gold digging floozy even though you can't even get it up at your age.

[Get Real!]

Haven't you yet seen a psychiatrist General? Or at least learn the correct name of the world's most populous nation as well as the universally known known of the pandemic. What a fucking idiot, take after your idiot hero Tr-amp.!!

Do you mean Chy-na!

The Chy-nese CCCP mini me is a terrible thing. You can say thank you to Australia and some EU countries like Germany who have stood up to the Chy-nese and managed to instigate an investigation.

Your Welcome yero!

Maybe you should start zipping up your CF posts with 64-bit encryption just in case that fly on the wall is a commie spy...

[Paphitis]

Haven't you yet seen a psychiatrist General? Or at least learn the correct name of the world's most populous nation as well as the universally known known of the pandemic. What a fucking idiot, take after your idiot hero Tr-amp.!!

Do you mean Chy-na!

The Chy-nese CCCP mini me is a terrible thing. You can say thank you to Australia and some EU countries like Germany who have stood up to the Chy-nese and managed to instigate an investigation.

Your Welcome yero!

Maybe you should start zipping up your CF posts with 64-bit encryption just in case that fly on the wall is a commie spy...

he isn't bright enough to be a spy.

Pretty sure spies need to be quite smart people and think on their toes.

But speaking of spies. yes, there are many Chy-nese spies in Australia. they have been very active here. We even had a political assassination which was proven to be an assassination from the Chy-nese Security Agencies of the CCCP mini me.

We know this because we just had a Chinese Spy defect in Australia and ask Australia for political asylum with his girlfriend which he bought to Australia.

You see, this is where ALL your arguments fall down. We have had a Chy-nese State sanctioned political assassination in Australia. Whilst I am sure Australia's spies are also active in Chy-na, to what extent I don't know, as far as we know, Australia has NEVER stooped to the level of murdering Chy-nese political figures - again, as far as we know.

I can't rule out the possibility 100%, but as far as I am concerned, Australia is a far more responsible international global citizen that follows international law and respects human rights and promotes liberty and freedom as a general rule.