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[Londonrake]

[cyprusgrump]

[Tim Drayton]

Whilst all the bickering's going on, how many people noticed this little news item a couple of days ago:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/coronav ... ccine.html

Yes, the US government has given Astra Zeneca a one billion dollar bung out of taxpayers' money to help develop the holy-grail vaccine when, if Knut Wittkowski is right, we could achieve the same result the natural way in three weeks. Think very hard about who is trying so hard to stop you from hearing the views of people like Wittkowski, and why.

[Tim Drayton]

... I will not concede that the measure of total deaths all causes is of a materially different nature to things like R and IFR...

As you say, it is the measure of total deaths, and since the increase in total deaths far exceeds the number of deaths attributed to Covid-19, which are inflated figures including many who died with and not of the virus, there must be other factors at work. Could the following be one of them?

Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus.

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-c ... y/6201962/

[Londonrake]

Whilst all the bickering's going on, how many people noticed this little news item a couple of days ago:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/coronav ... ccine.html

Yes, the US government has given Astra Zeneca a one billion dollar bung out of taxpayers' money to help develop the holy-grail vaccine when, if Knut Wittkowski is right, we could achieve the same result the natural way in three weeks. Think very hard about who is trying so hard to stop you from hearing the views of people like Wittkowski, and why.

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[Tim Drayton]

Whilst all the bickering's going on, how many people noticed this little news item a couple of days ago:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/coronav ... ccine.html

Yes, the US government has given Astra Zeneca a one billion dollar bung out of taxpayers' money to help develop the holy-grail vaccine when, if Knut Wittkowski is right, we could achieve the same result the natural way in three weeks. Think very hard about who is trying so hard to stop you from hearing the views of people like Wittkowski, and why.

cyprus47410.html

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Thanks. This is more recent news, though. Here's some lowdown on the bungs going to another vaccine developer, Moderna:

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05 ... of-lunacy/

[cyprusgrump]

When the lockdowns were proposed and then implemented, many here who were/are anti lockdown, considered lockdowns as being Human Rights violations. However, they proposing lockdown only on the high risk groups, whomever they may be as there is no definite class of high risk groups and non high risk groups, we are now no longer hearing violation of Human Rights by the anti lockdown groups. I don’t believe anyone is for a lockdown, but what options did we have when so little was know on Covid-19, and after Wuhan was under a lockdown and as we believed that the virus was contained within the boundaries of Wuhan, we all had to try out the lockdown.

Has it worked? We don’t know as we still had deaths. Would it have been worse without the lockdown? Probably. Was it worth shutting down the economy for the sake of lockdown? It remains to be seen as we are still no where near having a vaccine for Covid-19. Personally, anti lockdown groups have over used Sweden as an example model what what we should have all done, and it may have been warranted in the early days, but as Erol pointed out, in the last 7 days, Sweden has become the worst case example in the question of lockdown or no lockdown. The trajectory of Sweden is only heading in the wrong direction as the case with Brazil.

The situation with Covid-19 is very fluid as the numbers keep shifting rapidly, therefore anyone maintaining constant accuracy what will happen next from what had already happened cannot be 100% right all the time. Only couple of weeks ago the percentage of death on the Case Fatality Rate (CFR) has gone up from 7% to 14%. What will it be two weeks from now? I don’t know, but the trajectory doesn’t look good on those who might now or in the near future get infected with Covid-19.

Actually, the 14% is from the John Hopkins data, but as to my calculations, it is still around 7%.

Infection Fatality Rate is 0.26% – CDC

On May 15th, the Center for Disease Control (CDC) in the US published its official estimate – 0.26%, although it doesn’t come right out and say it. Rather, it estimates the case fatality rate (CFR) for different age groups:

0-49 year-olds: 0.05%
50-64 year-olds: 0.2%
65+ years-old: 1.3%
Mean CFR: 0.4%

The CDC estimates that 35% of people who’ve been infected are asymptomatic, so to get the IFR from the CFR you have to multiply it by 0.65 – 0.4 x 0.65 = 0.26%.

[Paphitis]

[Tim Drayton]

An inspiring article by Kelly Brogan, M.D.

Why We Stay Asleep When Covid-19 Is Trying to Wake Us Up

https://kellybroganmd.com/why-we-stay-a ... ake-us-up/

[Tim Drayton]

When the lockdowns were proposed and then implemented, many here who were/are anti lockdown, considered lockdowns as being Human Rights violations. However, they proposing lockdown only on the high risk groups, whomever they may be as there is no definite class of high risk groups and non high risk groups, we are now no longer hearing violation of Human Rights by the anti lockdown groups. I don’t believe anyone is for a lockdown, but what options did we have when so little was know on Covid-19, and after Wuhan was under a lockdown and as we believed that the virus was contained within the boundaries of Wuhan, we all had to try out the lockdown.

Has it worked? We don’t know as we still had deaths. Would it have been worse without the lockdown? Probably. Was it worth shutting down the economy for the sake of lockdown? It remains to be seen as we are still no where near having a vaccine for Covid-19. Personally, anti lockdown groups have over used Sweden as an example model what what we should have all done, and it may have been warranted in the early days, but as Erol pointed out, in the last 7 days, Sweden has become the worst case example in the question of lockdown or no lockdown. The trajectory of Sweden is only heading in the wrong direction as the case with Brazil.

The situation with Covid-19 is very fluid as the numbers keep shifting rapidly, therefore anyone maintaining constant accuracy what will happen next from what had already happened cannot be 100% right all the time. Only couple of weeks ago the percentage of death on the Case Fatality Rate (CFR) has gone up from 7% to 14%. What will it be two weeks from now? I don’t know, but the trajectory doesn’t look good on those who might now or in the near future get infected with Covid-19.

Actually, the 14% is from the John Hopkins data, but as to my calculations, it is still around 7%.

Infection Fatality Rate is 0.26% – CDC

On May 15th, the Center for Disease Control (CDC) in the US published its official estimate – 0.26%, although it doesn’t come right out and say it. Rather, it estimates the case fatality rate (CFR) for different age groups:

0-49 year-olds: 0.05%
50-64 year-olds: 0.2%
65+ years-old: 1.3%
Mean CFR: 0.4%

The CDC estimates that 35% of people who’ve been infected are asymptomatic, so to get the IFR from the CFR you have to multiply it by 0.65 – 0.4 x 0.65 = 0.26%.

Plenty of respectable sources are putting the ratio of asympomatic cases as high as 80% - for example, the briefing given by UK Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty a clip of which I posted above - which then means you need to divide the CFR by 5 to get the IFR. The results of the serological studies using large bodies of emprirical data which John Ioannidis summed up in the paper I quoted above suggest that the factor is far greater. The truth is that the earlier alaramist CFRs were based simply on deaths from among people who report to hospitals or doctors with severe symptoms, who are a tiny majority of the total who come into contact with the virus.