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[Paphitis]

I asked a health professional if they expect a second wave of Chy-na Virus the other day. His response:

We haven't even had a first wave of Chy-na Virus.

Our hospitals are so well equipped right now, everyone is just left waiting...

[Paphitis]

Of course I am no expert in the field, but my understanding is if you let the non-vulnerable majority go about their business and the virus rapidly spread among them, with close to zero risk and with the vast majority not experiencing any symptoms at all and those that do suffering something like a cold or the flu, you will rapidly attain the degree of immunity needed to prevent the virus from being able to spread and hence annihilating it. Then, you can bring the risk groups you have been protecting back into society with the virus now gone.

What do you mean by 'bring back in to society' exactly ? You are going to enforce separation of populations based on age are you ? Exactly what kind of enforced separation are talking about here ? Lock old people up ? What age would be your cut off point ? 85 ? 75 ? 65 ? How old are YOU Tim ? how old is CG ? What about high risk groups that are not based on age ? Separate THEM from the rest of society as well ? Strong data on various ethnic mionority groups having higher rates of infection ? Separate them based on ethnicity as well ? Higher rates for diabetics. Separate them as well ?

And you talk about the dangers of covid-19 leading to a police state ?

It's got nothing to do with that at all.

It's about protecting the vulnerable and let others go about their business in the meantime.

The high risk vulnerable parts of our society should be protected since they are the most likely to get a severe reaction to Chy-na Virus and have greater chances of dieing.

[Paphitis]

Taiwan has been the most successful country to combat Chy-na Virus. They surpass both South Korea, and Australia and by a considerable margin and South Korea and Australia are both out there in terms of success as well. So yeh, whatever Taiwan did was huge. The were the first to respond, react and they were the first to warn he rest of the world.

It appears that South Korea and Australia listened. So thanks to Taiwan, both Australia and South Korea had enormous success as well.

The world has a big debt to Taiwan. hose who didn't listen to them and continue to not listen to them, only have themselves to blame.

[repulsewarrior]

https://www.ozy.com/news-and-politics/b ... tent=Final

...food for thought.

[erolz66]

hose who didn't listen to them and continue to not listen to them, only have themselves to blame.

hose like Trump and Johnson you mean ?

[cyprusgrump]

I would remind you that the current policy is to forcibly lock everyone up.

You are in Cyprus right ? Talk about hyped up doom mongering out of all proportion to reality. You should work in the media. You were forced to stay in doors were you ? People pointing guns at you if you went outside ? Not allowed out to buy food ? To exercise ? Could you go out today ? Tomorrow ? Your 'plan' to have any chance of working would involve enforcing your chosen groups to be isolated to a vastly greater degree, with a vastly greater degree of enforcement and for a much longer period of time than anything you have suffered to date. And in SK the vast majority of citizens NEVER had ANY restrictions on their movements within SK at all.

Certainly between 9pm and 6am yes, we were forced to stay indoors under force of law.

At other times we were only allowed out for 'essential visits' like buying food and only then after asking permission to do so - I suspect they would have denied us that too had they had the ability to deliver it.

Not exactly 'freedom' is it...?

Wouldn't it have been better to treat us as adults like they did in Sweden...?

You're getting hysterical ErLolz...

[erolz66]

I would remind you that the current policy is to forcibly lock everyone up.

You are in Cyprus right ? Talk about hyped up doom mongering out of all proportion to reality. You should work in the media. You were forced to stay in doors were you ? People pointing guns at you if you went outside ? Not allowed out to buy food ? To exercise ? Could you go out today ? Tomorrow ? Your 'plan' to have any chance of working would involve enforcing your chosen groups to be isolated to a vastly greater degree, with a vastly greater degree of enforcement and for a much longer period of time than anything you have suffered to date. And in SK the vast majority of citizens NEVER had ANY restrictions on their movements within SK at all.

Certainly between 9pm and 6am yes, we were forced to stay indoors under force of law.

At other times we were only allowed out for 'essential visits' like buying food and only then after asking permission to do so - I suspect they would have denied us that too had they had the ability to deliver it.

Not exactly 'freedom' is it...?

Nor is it is 'exactly' forcibly locking everyone up' either.

Wouldn't it have been better to treat us as adults like they did in Sweden...?

Tim's argument was it would have been better to lock up only those at highest risk, to a degree much greater degree of restrictions on their freedom, for a much longer period time all whilst we had and have only partial information on who is actually at highest risk, whilst the rest of us sought 'herd immunity' without a vaccine. It clearly would not have been better to do this even if you knew that herd immunity was even achievable, what % of non locked up would have to get infected and thus how many deaths would be REQUIRED to achieve this, how long that might take - none of which we know or can know with any certainty yet.

Sweden currently has the highest mortality rate in the world per head of population. This is based on what is already known. Their strategy will only be net better based on countless IFs and current unknowns. If countries that have shown to date that they can control spread without shutting down their economies (like SK and others) subsequently lose that control, IF the economic damage done from trying to maintain control (and in SK that is less that Sweden anyway) is worse than the lifespans extended by the control, IF herd immunity is even possible. So right now we know Sweden is not doing well on shortened lifespans. We do not know if they are going to do better on economy in the medium and long term even vs places like the UK, let alone SK. They may well suffer economically in medium term because of the strategy they have adopted, with other Nordic countries looking to open boarders and normalise movement and tourism with places like Estonia before doing so with Sweden.

You're getting hysterical ErLolz...

And you talk about be treated like an adult whilst you behave like a little child over and over in forum with the way you post.

[cyprusgrump]

Sweden currently has the highest mortality rate in the world per head of population.

Does it?

According to this site it is San Marino, followed by Belgium Andorra, Spain, Italy, UK, France and then Sweden...?

[erolz66]

Sweden currently has the highest mortality rate in the world per head of population.

Does it?

According to this site it is San Marino, followed by Belgium Andorra, Spain, Italy, UK, France and then Sweden...?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -week.html

https://www.ft.com/content/46733256-5a8 ... ce9d4095e4

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... er-capita/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/12 ... death-rate

[Londonrake]

An absolutely typical response.