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[cyprusgrump]

A very long but interesting article about the futility of Lockdown

Climbing out of the Lobster Pot

The only rational justification for the lockdown was to "flatten the curve", i.e. stop the health services from being overwhelmed by a surge of cases by slowing the rate of spread, but now that the health services everywhere are if anything underwhelmed, it's time to give ourselves a pat on the back for doing so well and go back to normal.

Sadly, like in the sorceror's apprentice, the lockdown has now taken on a life of its own and has become a self-justifying end in its own right pursued with irrational obsession.

If the Covid-19 is just as dangerous now as it has been the last 3 months, then I doubt life will return to pre- Covid-19. The biggest change to new life as being “normal”, is the “social distancing”, which is an individual “lockdown” all by itself, which will affect the economy and businesses in a very negative way until if and when a vaccine is found. Therefore, the lockdowns will continue even when no one is forced in a lockdown in their homes. If social distancing is to be ignored, then we will be back to square one with the forced lockdowns so not to overwhelm the health system.

Bollox if you don't mind me saying so...

Still...

~7bn population...

5m infected...

330,000 dead...

~2m recovered...

I'm sure you can work out the percentages or get a calculator to help you...

We need to get over this insane hysteria about the disease and get back to 'normal'...

[Kikapu]

A very long but interesting article about the futility of Lockdown

Climbing out of the Lobster Pot

The only rational justification for the lockdown was to "flatten the curve", i.e. stop the health services from being overwhelmed by a surge of cases by slowing the rate of spread, but now that the health services everywhere are if anything underwhelmed, it's time to give ourselves a pat on the back for doing so well and go back to normal.

Sadly, like in the sorceror's apprentice, the lockdown has now taken on a life of its own and has become a self-justifying end in its own right pursued with irrational obsession.

If the Covid-19 is just as dangerous now as it has been the last 3 months, then I doubt life will return to pre- Covid-19. The biggest change to new life as being “normal”, is the “social distancing”, which is an individual “lockdown” all by itself, which will affect the economy and businesses in a very negative way until if and when a vaccine is found. Therefore, the lockdowns will continue even when no one is forced in a lockdown in their homes. If social distancing is to be ignored, then we will be back to square one with the forced lockdowns so not to overwhelm the health system.

Bollox if you don't mind me saying so...

Still...

~7bn population...

5m infected...

330,000 dead...

~2m recovered...

I'm sure you can work out the percentages or get a calculator to help you...

We need to get over this insane hysteria about the disease and get back to 'normal'...

You are free to convince people to go back to life as normal and hope that they will not be one of the victims of coronavirus by riding on the full buses and trains, attending parties, theaters, sporting events, full planes and so on without social distancing. Do you remember 2-3 of weeks ago when 700-800 people were dying each day in the UK because of Covid-19?

[erolz66]

The only rational justification for the lockdown was to "flatten the curve", i.e. stop the health services from being overwhelmed by a surge of cases by slowing the rate of spread, but now that the health services everywhere are if anything underwhelmed, it's time to give ourselves a pat on the back for doing so well and go back to normal.

Sorry but this is patent nonsense.

SK did lock down in one region. The region that got out of control because of the church super spreader event. They suspended track and trace and locked down that region and that region only. Not because health systems were being overloaded. They locked down in order to get back control in an area that had got out of control. It worked. They got back control in that region, ended lock down and returned to their test,track and trace program that so far has kept deaths there nationally at under 300 and total positives under 11,100. Vs the UK's figures of 34,900 dead and 247,709 infected. This is all know fact against which we can measure you opinion / claim that "The only rational justification for the lock down to stop the health services from being overwhelmed by a surge of cases." Well forgive me if I think it might be considered rational to use lock down as a means to get to a position where by spread can be controlled by test, track and trace. Because we know this can be done and we know what the outcomes are if you can test track and trace as well as SK has done - they are about 100 times better outcomes.

[Cap]

Governments will go back to normal, regardless.
They are willing to sacrifice the less than 1% vulnerable to Covid.
When cancer, heart disease and other diseases kill more people annually, with ZERO measures.
It's a risk they ARE going to take given the barrage of statistical knowledge they have now at their disposal.

There's NO GOING BACK TO LOCKDOWN.
The stats simply don't support it.
You can quote me on it.

[Kikapu]

Governments will go back to normal, regardless.
They are willing to sacrifice the less than 1% vulnerable to Covid.
When cancer, heart disease and other diseases kill more people annually, with ZERO measures.
It's a risk they ARE going to take given the barrage of statistical knowledge they have now at their disposal.

There's NO GOING BACK TO LOCKDOWN.
The stats simply don't support it.
You can quote me on it.

As long as social distancing remains in place which by all accounts the whole world is practicing it, that by itself will counter anything as getting back to normal life, which by default, it is another form of lockdown.

[repulsewarrior]

...it is still too early to conclude that "they" will win, or have won. Despite the narratives we may be following at the moment it is more than likely that the future will not resemble any of them.

COVID has changed the world for sure; it is time to reevaluate everything, this moment offers such a change.

...and frankly, in about three years, the world will have begun to benefit from the stimulus; not just the threat.

...who doubts that from this, industry and commerce, will adapt in new and creative manners to appeal to "us" the customer, with better products and service that meet "our" demands.

"They" may want what they want, but in the world, as it is in science, there are Laws and Universal Principals. As a consciousness, in either case, such a balance exists.

...the issue is to act wisely; there is a first time for everything: who remembers the first time they walked?

...indeed, who forgets, in this small group, the awful stories, we've recounted; what happens to patients in ICU with, this virus. Denial, did result in so many more cases, and deaths, politics surely has killed quite a few.

The days of Medicine for money have reached an apex it seems, its corruption exposed what with such institutions that we have expected to be ahead of the curve (WHO, CDC, eg.) seemingly impotent. That shutting down the world's social-economy was taken, in affect, in panic. They will reform themselves as Institutions because the need they fulfill goes beyond an over-reliance on "drugs", as cures. Hygiene, the environment, good nutrition, will, upon investigation, play vital roles in the decisions "we", in these institutions (which includes the Pharmacological society, and the "elite" that represent the wider society they depend on) will take in the aftermath of a recovery, for prevention, vaccine or no vaccine, to "be" more self-sustaining in a world, less stressed, which will rely on our collective efforts (as Human beings).

...i have a kerchief i wear, which i have been wearing for decades; still feel a bit like a bandit, even when wearing it is called for: funny eh?

[Get Real!]

...i have a kerchief i wear, which i have been wearing for decades; still feel a bit like a bandit, even when wearing it is called for: funny eh?

No surprises there, I always suspected you looked like a bum… earrings, headscarfs, bandanas, tattoos, marijuana and totally brainless!

[repulsewarrior]

...no surprise there GR, just don't read books; better than judging them by content or cover: wot?

Actually, the kerchief (of Native design) was given to me by a Mohawk sky-walker, someone i admire because he and his family put most of the skyscrapers in New-York up, over the generations, by hand and by walking that steel.

Indeed, it is a good idea to cover your mask if you are wearing one; in the dirty conditions we worked together in at the time it was, and still is, a good idea.

Hippy or not, the difference it seems between the two of us is that i like to be helpful, to stimulate peoples' curiousity, to offer the readership perhaps original thoughts, as well as original thinking. I hope i make people feel better, with a laugh, although i do like groaners too, or by offering my own efforts at being informative (read: informed), for this collective good, (and my own). You on the other hand speak of your own feelings, but it is nothing personal really is it? Nothing really i may learn from either, with your tone and intention, just getting personal in the worst kind of, way; i ask, why should i care about what you think of me, with what you leave me to think of you?

...no earrings, no tattoos, no cavities actually, just as comfortable to be with men like me who understand work because they do it, as the men with the same intentions who work in suits. Maybe you judge a man by his pocket, i judge men differently. And yes, that, kerchief even possessing it in the part of Canada where i live, is seen by some as an act of rebellion; opposed to those who see it that way, and honoured with the gift, i still wear it respectfully: since you ask.

[erolz66]

Week 19 ONS figures came in today. Only 3k deaths all causes over the 5 year average. This seems like a good result to me and I think it shows some support that some of those that died in 14-18 effectively died a few weeks to a month earlier because of covid-19 infection. I would guesstimate around 1-2 k deaths that did not happen in week 19 are because those people died already in weeks 14-18. Still early days but I will continue to start with the simple hard numbers and work out from there to form my opinions.

[Kikapu]

Week 19 ONS figures came in today. Only 3k deaths all causes over the 5 year average. This seems like a good result to me and I think it shows some support that some of those that died in 14-18 effectively died a few weeks to a month earlier because of covid-19 infection. I would guesstimate around 1-2 k deaths that did not happen in week 19 are because those people died already in weeks 14-18. Still early days but I will continue to start with the simple hard numbers and work out from there to form my opinions.

Yes, that would make sense, and/or perhaps the lockdown also had an effect in reducing the number of positive cases and death rate too?