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[erolz66]

On what proof?

It is based on the following scientific study conducted at Manchester University:

https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/n ... 9-already/

Nice to hear some good news for a change.

The only science worth lisning to is to actually test all the people first and then make a report.

Hendrik Streeck worked with a sample of over 1000 in Heinsberg, population 42,000, making that about 2.5%. So, in your view, his study is deviod of scientific worth?

No, but his study only relates to the area in question. It does not apply universally.

Great, so 2.5% is OK. Yes, each study is only for one place, but when they all start confirming one another, first in Heinsberg, then Santa Clara, California and now the UK, and this chimes in with a previous study in Iceland which had been discounted as having universal application as Iceland is so isolated, then it starts to look more and more as if this is a universal pattern. Yes, more studies are still needed, but if they keep showing that far more people have been infected than was thought, then this Covid business looks as if it is no great deal - and this is exactly what UK Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said behind closed doors in a briefing attended by Boris Johnson the other day (I posted this clip yesterday) - and the original fear and panic was overblown. So we can all calm down and get back to living as normal, while making sure that the vulnerable are protected. I think this is wonderful news.

Recent studies studies in Italy, Spain and New York all suggest the ovewr all number who have been infected to date is between 5-10% of population. Ignore those, they do not fit.

It is BECAUSE governments like Johnson's under estimated the risk before the outbreak and then underestimated it after it started and acted too little too late that they ended up having to use devastating measures like lock down. If they had not underestimated it then the UK deaths would be running at 300 odd and not 33 thousand and almost no business or employee would have been devastated. As is the case in SK.

[cyprusgrump]

On what proof?

It is based on the following scientific study conducted at Manchester University:

https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/n ... 9-already/

Nice to hear some good news for a change.

The only science worth lisning to is to actually test all the people first and then make a report.

Hendrik Streeck worked with a sample of over 1000 in Heinsberg, population 42,000, making that about 2.5%. So, in your view, his study is deviod of scientific worth?

No, but his study only relates to the area in question. It does not apply universally.

Great, so 2.5% is OK. Yes, each study is only for one place, but when they all start confirming one another, first in Heinsberg, then Santa Clara, California and now the UK, and this chimes in with a previous study in Iceland which had been discounted as having universal application as Iceland is so isolated, then it starts to look more and more as if this is a universal pattern. Yes, more studies are still needed, but if they keep showing that far more people have been infected than was thought, then this Covid business looks as if it is no great deal - and this is exactly what UK Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said behind closed doors in a briefing attended by Boris Johnson the other day (I posted this clip yesterday) - and the original fear and panic was overblown. So we can all calm down and get back to living as normal, while making sure that the vulnerable are protected. I think this is wonderful news.

It is excellent news Tim!

Not for ErLolz (the King of confirmation bias) obvs. He'll keep arguing black is white until long after this has all gone away...

[Kikapu]

And just who are the vulnarable?
So are you saying Bill Gates and Big Pharma are off the hook?

[erolz66]

Not for ErLolz (the King of confirmation bias) obvs. He'll keep arguing black is white until long after this has all gone away...

Or you will still be posting the global numbers if deaths reach 1/2 million. 1 million. 3 million. 5 million. 30 million.

And for the record 'arguing' that the England and Wales has recorded the highest weekly death totals from all causes since at least 1968, because it has recorded the highest weekly death totals from all causes since at least 1968 is not arguing black is white

[Kikapu]

Call me a cynic but, isn't the timing of this a little too convenient as people are asked to return to work next week in the UK, to perhaps give them a little piece of mind, even if it is premature?

[erolz66]

Call me a cynic but, isn't the timing of this a little too convenient as people are asked to return to work next week in the UK, to perhaps give them a little piece of mind, even if it is premature?

We do not know what % of the populations has been infected to date. I welcome good antibody testing ,which will be from big pharma and make them great profits, used as widely as possible so we can know this. But just jumping up and shouting 'yes see I was right' on news of such test may soon be coming soon and a guess as to what the number is before such testing, is clearly an act of confirmation bias. If these test do become available and they work (the UK already bought millions that do not work) and they show total infections to date in UK at around 5, 10 or 15% then those that are shouting this 'news' as some kind of victory , will just move on to other guess numbers and convoluted arguments, if past performance is any guide to future performance.

[erolz66]

I think some people have still not got to grips with the difference between numbers like

The temperature today was X

and

The temperature on this day next year will be Y

[Tim Drayton]

And just who are the vulnarable?
So are you saying Bill Gates and Big Pharma are off the hook?

The vulnerable, as I understand it, are the over 70's, younger people with certain underlying serious health conditions and health workers.

I believe there is a nexus of very powerful forces for which the Bill Gates foundation acts as a kind of front, with Bill Gates and, to a lesser extent, Warren Buffet having visible profiles and this group will continue to push forward its agenda which seems at the very least to involve developing a vaccine which will be imposed on humanity, yielding massive profits for big pharma, and using existing and new technologies to create a world in which the masses are kept under a high degree of surveillance and control. No, until defeated, they remain a grave threat for all those of us who cherish hard won rights and liberties.

[erolz66]

And just who are the vulnarable?
So are you saying Bill Gates and Big Pharma are off the hook?

The vulnerable, as I understand it, are the over 70's, younger people with certain underlying serious health conditions and health workers.

In New York, with mass testing of different groups , health workers are returning a significantly lower average of positives than general population and you have missed off your list of vulnerable groups, ethnic minorities, the over weight, those with diabetes and the poor.

I believe there is a nexus of very powerful forces for which the Bill Gates foundation acts as a kind of front, with Bill Gates and, to a lesser extent, Warren Buffet having visible profiles and this group will continue to push forward its agenda which seems at the very least to involve developing a vaccine which will be imposed on humanity, yielding massive profits for big pharma, and using existing and new technologies to create a world in which the masses are kept under a high degree of surveillance and control. No, until defeated, they remain a grave threat for all those of us who cherish hard won rights and liberties.

Where do you place the Koch brothers in this 'analysis' (and I use the world very loosely)? Trump ? The masons ? The bilderberg group ? The Illuminati ? The lizard men ?

The real threat to hard won liberties is the degree to which ordinary people can sort the wood from the trees, truth from lies, conspiracy theories from real conspiracies. From what I have seen to date from you Tim, you are the risk not the solution in my opinion

[Kikapu]

And just who are the vulnarable?
So are you saying Bill Gates and Big Pharma are off the hook?

The vulnerable, as I understand it, are the over 70's, younger people with certain underlying serious health conditions and health workers.

I got the news today from an English friend whose very healthy 56 year old brother died from covid -19 in the Canary islands where he lived.