Kikapu wrote:Tim Drayton wrote:Kikapu wrote:erolz66 wrote:Tim Drayton wrote:All this talk of dying is exaggerated. Serious scientific studies put the average chance of dying if you contract Covid at around 0.37%, less than with flu, and the chance of dying is totally negligible for healthy under 50's. You face similar risks every time you take a car onto the road.
The degree of excess death this event is resulting in is not exaggerated. Nor is 'fear of this death' about personal individual risk alone. I fear for others I care about and love because they are at greater risk than me personally. Comparing to other existing risks is all well and fine but this is in addition to those risks. It is an extra risk not an alternative one.
If there are no counter measures taken against the highly contagious Covid-19 disease, even at .37% death rate, we are looking at 26 million dead people a year just from the virus alone if no vaccine is found. WHO gives the mortality rate at 3.4% is 240 million dead people a year. That is a lot of people to just say, "Too Bad" but the economy and the rest of us must live on!
So many bizarre and twisted calculations from one who I once considered to be among the most aware and intelligent posters here. Sad. The 0.37% rate is the case fatality rate. It is the probability of dying if you catch the virus. It does not mean that 0.37% of an entire population will die in one year. You speak about these people who will die every year if no vaccine is found, as if nature did not have a mechanism for giving people immunity, which it does. Once you've had it, you're immune and once enough people become immune the virus can't spread any more. This is how it has been with all viruses over the millenia. The idea that any one virus will continue killing people in perpetuity flies in the face of all scientific and empirical knowledge. The figures you quote bear no relation to fact. The total global death figure from Covid - taking it at face value and ignoring the way it is inflated by including many cases in which the virus was simply present in people who died of other causes - stands at about 282,000. This pales into insignificance compared to the 1.35 m who lose their lives in road accidents globally every year. The only difference between the two is that the world media has abandonded its normal function and turned into a machine for pouring out one hysterical, slanted, alarmist report after another, accompanied by all sorts of garish images, about this virus to turn it into a bogeyman to scare the sheeple into submission and submit to living under a surveillance regime in the mistaken belief that Big Brother will then keep them safe. Imagine the global media did nothing but report on road accidents 24/7, cherry picking the most alarming stories and statistics and serving these up in a continuous stream accompanied by gory pictures of accidents. Would the sheeple then be demanding an end to road traffic? It is the same logic as shutting down the world economy and ushering in a depression that will rival the 1930's all because of a virus that is less deadly than the flu.
Not offended with your post, Tim. I have stated before of just being an average guy!
I am going on the numbers presented by John Hopkins University where there are 4+ million cases and 280,000+ deaths in the last 3-4 months which comes to about 7% death rate. No need to guess if these victims were result from Clovis-19 or not unless you can provide evidence that they are not victims of covid-19. There are conflicting opinions on immunity and how long it can last in the body, assuming of course that the virus does not mutate over and over or that there ever be a vaccine discovered to immune ourselves for the present virus strands but not be immune to the next virus strands once it mutates. There are so many unknowns about the covid-19, it is only prudent to take the worse case scenarios without being labeled an alarmist, unintelligent or a sheep. Alternatively, I can just bow to your formed opinions based on your superior intelligence that the death rate is only .37% and accuse Bill Gates and the Big Pharma of being in complicit in keeping us locked downed, fucking up the economy and imposing the “Big Brother” on us, more than the authorities already have on us. If you can only convince me why major world leaders would allow Bill Gates and the Big Pharma to fuck up their economy with a virus that only kills .37% (your numbers) of it’s victims, I am all ears.
Not my numbers, actually, but those produced by the first large-scale scientific studies to be conducted into the matter:
Santa Clara County, California
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20062463v2
Heinsberg, Germany
https://www.uni-bonn.de/news/111-2020
As to your excellent question as to whose interests are served by wrecking the global economy for no apparent good reason, thanks for asking it and I can only direct you to the reply I gave the last time somebody asked it (and I am glad you are all ears):
cyprus47300-930.html#p895924
I would especially recommend taking a look at the “Wrench in the gears” blog (which I quoted in my last reply) while you still can: https://wrenchinthegears.com/2020/04/ . The author of that blog seems very knowledgeable about the kind of technologies they describe there which they say could be brought together to create a dystopian surveillance regime, and the author also sets out why they think destroying the current world economy is part and parcel of bringing about the fourth industrial revolution.
