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[Paphitis]

This is a great economic advantage. Pensioners not only need to be given the pension they have ‘paid-for’ over their working lives but maintenance costs for the old are high as medical problems are more prevalent when bits start wearing out. So, getting rid of the old and the sick without the need for gas chambers and furnaces, certainly has economic advantages? If a few thousand younger people die because they have medical conditions (which also needs treatment) are obese and are heavy smokers and/or drinkers .............. then that is obviously a bonus to the economy.x

Does that mean then that there won’t an attempt to develop a vaccine for Covid-19 as old age is not a one time event, therefore, killing the old and the unhealthy must continue in perpetuity, no?

We have to be prepared for the possibility now that a vaccine may never be found. If that is the case, we have to return to normality. Businesses to reopen and people to return to work and travel to recommence.

Lock downs can not remain in perpetuity.

Howver, if people want to remain isolated, then let them.

There cannot be any return to normality as long as most countries agree on 2 meters Social Distancing, even if there is complete lifting of lockdowns.

There will be when they open pubs, sporting events, restaurants and cafes after Stage 3 in mid June.

First thing I'm doing is going to the Footy and then eat at my favorite restaurant.

You know Kikapu, most people are not actually following the 2m rule anymore. I know I don't and all the people I see each day don't either.

It's become a huge joke.

2m Social Distancing is not a law on individuals but a condition on establishments to operate. Same with wearing a mask. Most people at the moment self regulate to maintain the 2m social distancing because they do not want to risk the chance of getting the coronavirus. If the 2m rule is completely ignored, then we will have the second wave, which perhaps what people need to get the message that the risks are there to catch the virus. Unchecked, the pandemic can get much worse than what we have now. There are still unknowns about the Covid-19.

Yes but they are looking at opening these establishments like they were open before. If the 2m rule is maintained, most restaurant and family businesses will not be able to cover their overhead and will not open.

The directive from the Australian Government is to limit the impact on small business so they don't go under.

I mean it's alright for Amazon who is getting record profit from online shopping but it isn't ok for the small family business which are now struggling. We see no purpose now to maintain social distancing with less than 600 active cases.

It's getting hard to enforce all this now. Social distancing isn't even practiced at schools between children who sit next to each other in a classroom, so why the double standards. This Chyna Virus is here to stay for a long time.

[Kikapu]

This is a great economic advantage. Pensioners not only need to be given the pension they have ‘paid-for’ over their working lives but maintenance costs for the old are high as medical problems are more prevalent when bits start wearing out. So, getting rid of the old and the sick without the need for gas chambers and furnaces, certainly has economic advantages? If a few thousand younger people die because they have medical conditions (which also needs treatment) are obese and are heavy smokers and/or drinkers .............. then that is obviously a bonus to the economy.x

Does that mean then that there won’t an attempt to develop a vaccine for Covid-19 as old age is not a one time event, therefore, killing the old and the unhealthy must continue in perpetuity, no?

We have to be prepared for the possibility now that a vaccine may never be found. If that is the case, we have to return to normality. Businesses to reopen and people to return to work and travel to recommence.

Lock downs can not remain in perpetuity.

Howver, if people want to remain isolated, then let them.

There cannot be any return to normality as long as most countries agree on 2 meters Social Distancing, even if there is complete lifting of lockdowns.

There will be when they open pubs, sporting events, restaurants and cafes after Stage 3 in mid June.

First thing I'm doing is going to the Footy and then eat at my favorite restaurant.

You know Kikapu, most people are not actually following the 2m rule anymore. I know I don't and all the people I see each day don't either.

It's become a huge joke.

2m Social Distancing is not a law on individuals but a condition on establishments to operate. Same with wearing a mask. Most people at the moment self regulate to maintain the 2m social distancing because they do not want to risk the chance of getting the coronavirus. If the 2m rule is completely ignored, then we will have the second wave, which perhaps what people need to get the message that the risks are there to catch the virus. Unchecked, the pandemic can get much worse than what we have now. There are still unknowns about the Covid-19.

Yes but they are looking at opening these establishments like they were open before. If the 2m rule is maintained, most restaurant and family businesses will not be able to cover their overhead and will not open.

The directive from the Australian Government is to limit the impact on small business so they don't go under.

I mean it's alright for Amazon who is getting record profit from online shopping but it isn't ok for the small family business which are now struggling. We see no purpose now to maintain social distancing with less than 600 active cases.

It's getting hard to enforce all this now. Social distancing isn't even practiced at schools between children who sit next to each other in a classroom, so why the double standards. This Chyna Virus is here to stay for a long time.

Right now fairness is overruled by coronavirus, so most governments cannot risk their citizens return to normality if it means mass number of cases and deaths. It is possible that Australia as a continent does not fit into the same mold to have safeguards against coronavirus as most other nations do. It may mean of course that it will continue keeping it’s borders closed for a long time, so no tourist or business people coming and going as many Aussies will not risk leaving their country. This alone will kill of Qantas, just as much as imposing 2m rule on the airlines and establishments . No easy answers to the problems at hand sorry to say.

[Paphitis]

This is a great economic advantage. Pensioners not only need to be given the pension they have ‘paid-for’ over their working lives but maintenance costs for the old are high as medical problems are more prevalent when bits start wearing out. So, getting rid of the old and the sick without the need for gas chambers and furnaces, certainly has economic advantages? If a few thousand younger people die because they have medical conditions (which also needs treatment) are obese and are heavy smokers and/or drinkers .............. then that is obviously a bonus to the economy.x

Does that mean then that there won’t an attempt to develop a vaccine for Covid-19 as old age is not a one time event, therefore, killing the old and the unhealthy must continue in perpetuity, no?

We have to be prepared for the possibility now that a vaccine may never be found. If that is the case, we have to return to normality. Businesses to reopen and people to return to work and travel to recommence.

Lock downs can not remain in perpetuity.

Howver, if people want to remain isolated, then let them.

There cannot be any return to normality as long as most countries agree on 2 meters Social Distancing, even if there is complete lifting of lockdowns.

There will be when they open pubs, sporting events, restaurants and cafes after Stage 3 in mid June.

First thing I'm doing is going to the Footy and then eat at my favorite restaurant.

You know Kikapu, most people are not actually following the 2m rule anymore. I know I don't and all the people I see each day don't either.

It's become a huge joke.

2m Social Distancing is not a law on individuals but a condition on establishments to operate. Same with wearing a mask. Most people at the moment self regulate to maintain the 2m social distancing because they do not want to risk the chance of getting the coronavirus. If the 2m rule is completely ignored, then we will have the second wave, which perhaps what people need to get the message that the risks are there to catch the virus. Unchecked, the pandemic can get much worse than what we have now. There are still unknowns about the Covid-19.

Yes but they are looking at opening these establishments like they were open before. If the 2m rule is maintained, most restaurant and family businesses will not be able to cover their overhead and will not open.

The directive from the Australian Government is to limit the impact on small business so they don't go under.

I mean it's alright for Amazon who is getting record profit from online shopping but it isn't ok for the small family business which are now struggling. We see no purpose now to maintain social distancing with less than 600 active cases.

It's getting hard to enforce all this now. Social distancing isn't even practiced at schools between children who sit next to each other in a classroom, so why the double standards. This Chyna Virus is here to stay for a long time.

Right now fairness is overruled by coronavirus, so most governments cannot risk their citizens return to normality if it means mass number of cases and deaths. It is possible that Australia as a continent does not fit into the same mold to have safeguards against coronavirus as most other nations do. It may mean of course that it will continue keeping it’s borders closed for a long time, so no tourist or business people coming and going as many Aussies will not risk leaving their country. This alone will kill of Qantas, just as much as imposing 2m rule on the airlines and establishments . No easy answers to the problems at hand sorry to say.

We will see about that Kikapu.

Right now, I am feeling very blessed being in Australia. The only other country I could go to is the US because only these 2 countries are placing fairness and civil liberties ahead of everything.

yes the US is in trouble with Chy-na Virus, but the time must come when all the restrictions must be lifted for the sake of society and our children.
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I really got to take my hat off to Sweden as well.

I foresee dangerous times with these civil liberties eroded. Chy-na Virus has given the elites free licence to suppress the "naughty" people. What's next one might ask. A compulsory vaccination perhaps in order to step out from our front doors?

[Get Real!]

Right now, I am feeling very blessed being in Australia. The only other country I could go to is the US because only these 2 countries are placing fairness and civil liberties ahead of everything.

You are the epitome of delusion!

I really got to take my hat off to Sweden as well.

Yeah, you do that while everyone else with 2+ brain-cells laughs at them.

[Kikapu]

Too much praise is given to the Swedes for not having the lockdown, but by and large, they are practicing the 2m rules and their economy is not much better than others since they are part of the global trade. On top of that, they have more cases and deaths than their neighbour countries who does have lockdowns. Swedes by nature are distant people with themselves than most neighbouring countries from no handshakes to kisses on the cheeks when greeting each other. The Swiss kiss the cheeks 3 times, which is one more than most.

As an American, the USA is the last place I would want to be at the moment as long as the coronavirus is loose. I feel very safe in Switzerland as people are very practical and responsible. I cancelled a dinner party at my place with home cooking by me for 20 people two weeks ago for today, which was planned back in February. It was well accepted by everyone as being the right thing to do. Normally I would be cleaning up at this time, but instead, I’m here with you.

[Paphitis]

Too much praise is given to the Swedes for not having the lockdown, but by and large, they are practicing the 2m rules and their economy is not much better than others since they are part of the global trade. On top of that, they have more cases and deaths than their neighbour countries who does have lockdowns. Swedes by nature are distant people with themselves than most neighbouring countries from no handshakes to kisses on the cheeks when greeting each other. The Swiss kiss the cheeks 3 times, which is one more than most.

As an American, the USA is the last place I would want to be at the moment as long as the coronavirus is loose. I feel very safe in Switzerland as people are very practical and responsible. I cancelled a dinner party at my place with home cooking by me for 20 people two weeks ago for today, which was planned back in February. It was well accepted by everyone as being the right thing to do. Normally I would be cleaning up at this time, but instead, I’m here with you.

What about the local economy Kikapu? All the small businesses that will tread water as opposed to go under?

Their statistics are not dire in Sweden, and much better than many countries with a full lock down. You mention Switzerland which has 3500 cases per million of population compared to Sweden which has 2500 cases per million.

Switzerland isn't far behind the USA with 4000 cases per million. So Switzerland isn't that different to the USA. So how safe do you really feel when the statistics are like this? I ask because most of the USA isn't that bad when you take New York out of the equation.

However, that isn't what I am getting at. I am talking about civil liberties here. The USA seems to be one of a select few countries that is trying to safeguard these freedoms more than most. That is something to look up to. That's because the day will come when we have to either live with Chy-na Virus like we live with cancer, flu, Asthma, allergies, and mental illness or they will actually find a vaccine for it and eliminate it from the map altogether. One of these things will occur.

But life, either way will still need to continue even if we do not eliminate Chy-na Virus. So what kind of world do we want if that is is going to happen? Do we continue to impose these restrictions indefinitely? I certainly hope not!

And why the over reaction when there are more people dieing from road accidents, suicide, and other infectious diseases?

[Robin Hood]

Kikapu:

Does that mean then that there won’t an attempt to develop a vaccine for Covid-19 as old age is not a one time event, therefore, killing the old and the unhealthy must continue in perpetuity, no?

Of course there will be vaccines but already there are drugs that you or I cannot get on the NHS/GHS as they are too expensive for general use. They are ‘rationed’ by the cost effectiveness of the use. If you are rich you can afford the best .... if not you are just the same as any other victim and the cost effectiveness of the treatment required to keep you alive is taken into consideration. Do you really think Boris Johnson was treated like any other NHS patient when he was taken into hospital with the virus ?

The World is not so much changing because of this virus, the virus is being used as the reason to change the World as we know it and get people used to being controlled. It has been slowly creeping up on an unwary population for decades!

Look around you .... assuming you live in Cyprus ..... we have a curfew from 10pm to 6am, we need permission to leave our home, shops need permission to open, greater controls on gatherings, you cannot leave your district ........ and all the other restrictions and inconveniences ...... we are effectively living in a Police State! As yet we do not have armed patrols controlling movement but that could be implemented very quickly.

What will you do when the State decides your mobile requires a ‘follow-me’ app so they can track movements to track your contact with those that have the virus? What happens when a political opinion that the State does not like becomes the ‘virus’ ? It is a very frightening future ahead as all this technology can be abused!

Spread your vision a bit! There is a move to do away with money and everything will then be ‘on-the-card’ .... well for now. Just think of the implications of that? 100% control by the State/Banks of the one thing you need to survive .... MONEY. Think back to the Bail-In!

Once they have the card and no money ...... then the CHIP will be introduced and if you refuse to have it they can switch you off as a person by cutting access to just about everything from health services and education .......... to travel! You would become a non-person!

Paranoid? Maybe! But in my 79 years I have seen a lot of changes in my way of life and in my World in general and many of them start with the best intent ..... but are then exploited for the advantage of others. I fear for the future and am relieved that I will not be around to suffer from the impact of what is happening now.

[erolz66]

What will you do when the State decides your mobile requires a ‘follow-me’ app so they can track movements to track your contact with those that have the virus?

Leave my mobile at home ?

...... then the CHIP will be introduced

Where I am the mandatory chip was introduced almost a decade ago. For dogs. With typical Cyprus efficiency My wife works for animal charity and vets and the 'chip' is even less effective at tracking human ownership of dogs than the collar tag and paper systems that preceded it and they were not great. I think our first line of 'protection' here where I am is our natural desire to run government in the 'could not organise a piss up in a brewery' mode

[Paphitis]

Right now, I am feeling very blessed being in Australia. The only other country I could go to is the US because only these 2 countries are placing fairness and civil liberties ahead of everything.

You are the epitome of delusion!

I really got to take my hat off to Sweden as well.

Yeah, you do that while everyone else with 2+ brain-cells laughs at them.

Listen, did you get permission via sms to have your computer time? Or is that just so you can walk out of your front gate? I'll be thinking of you when I'm having a nice hoppy boutique beer alfresco style in the beautiful Adelaide Inner Eastern Suburbs with my Koumbaro.

Since when have you been let loose to talk to the free world? Get back into your cage slave.

[Paphitis]

What will you do when the State decides your mobile requires a ‘follow-me’ app so they can track movements to track your contact with those that have the virus?

Leave my mobile at home ?

...... then the CHIP will be introduced

Where I am the mandatory chip was introduced almost a decade ago. For dogs. With typical Cyprus efficiency My wife works for animal charity and vets and the 'chip' is even less effective at tracking human ownership of dogs than the collar tag and paper systems that preceded it and they were not great. I think our first line of 'protection' here where I am is our natural desire to run government in the 'could not organise a piss up in a brewery' mode

The answer is to downgrade to a Nokia Non smart phone.

They can't force you if you don't have the phone to download apps.