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[cyprusgrump]

Here is an interesting BBC report regarding the R number. It explains what it is and why it needs to be reduced. What I found interesting is the R number graph falling from 3 to under 1 that the graph explains during the lock down period.

This is in contrast to those that claim lock down does nothing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-5247352 ... Ia1x7ZWif8

Well of course, you can't infect anybody if you are imprisoned in your home 24/7...

Well Duh! of course and thats the whole idea of the lockdown, reduce the number of infected so no others get infected, leaving them all free to roam around means an exponential rise in the infection rates of which i higher number of deaths and suffering.

Those that are detected get the treatment they need, for what its worth, and those that don't need it are already isolated.

It proves that lock downs work, and yes people need to be 'released' but in a controlled manner to see what restriction lifting works best.

Can you take your head out of your arse and comment on the link I posted...?

[erolz66]

You forgot to mention the couple of million jobs lost in the process.

Sorry this is just a poor argument, we had this and worse in 2013 world financial crash, the world soon picked up, jobs created, business restarted etc etc. The way you guys are making out we are at the end of the world ffs.

Well, obviously I hope you're right. Although, I wasn't really arguing.

Nobody's suggesting that it's "The end of the world" but there's been a lot of news recently to support the view that the aftermath's going to be pretty bad.

My take is 'society' knows how to mitigate the worst effects of economic impact on people. Either via grass roots community actions, neighbourliness and the like or government action. We may not chose to do so or do so as sufficiently as we should but their are few 'unknowns' with this issue. The virus is different. It is still today almost all 'unknowns'.

[Kikapu]

Here is an interesting BBC report regarding the R number. It explains what it is and why it needs to be reduced. What I found interesting is the R number graph falling from 3 to under 1 that the graph explains during the lock down period.

This is in contrast to those that claim lock down does nothing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-5247352 ... Ia1x7ZWif8

Well of course, you can't infect anybody if you are imprisoned in your home 24/7...

Well Duh! of course and thats the whole idea of the lockdown, reduce the number of infected so no others get infected, leaving them all free to roam around means an exponential rise in the infection rates of which i higher number of deaths and suffering.

Those that are detected get the treatment they need, for what its worth, and those that don't need it are already isolated.

It proves that lock downs work, and yes people need to be 'released' but in a controlled manner to see what restriction lifting works best.

Can you take your head out of your arse and comment on the link I posted...?

The link you have posted was very amusing and fun to read, but there was nothing more beyond it’s entertainment value such as a solution to the coronavirus.

[repulsewarrior]

...what i notice more than anything else are the people who work in the ICUs, some with more than a decade of experience; they say it is horrible.

...it is the time and the care needed, toward patients as individuals, its intensity; in that regard, it is like nothing they have ever seen before, and that alone, already, to them, is overwhelming.

...at some point, Health Care systems will adapt beyond this point, and our social economies too. But while this event is ongoing, the lockdown justification cannot be judged, nor dismissed.

...(it can be learned from)

[Kikapu]

...what i notice more than anything else are the people who work in the ICUs, some with more than a decade of experience; they say it is horrible.

...it is the time and the care needed, toward patients as individuals, its intensity; in that regard, it is like nothing they have ever seen before, and that alone, already, to them, is overwhelming.

...at some point, Health Care systems will adapt beyond this point, and our social economies too. But while this event is ongoing, the lockdown justification cannot be judged, nor dismissed.

...(but it can be learned from)

You are very correct, warrior.

[repulsewarrior]

...an update, not optimistic at all from a world point of view. There is one possibility, knowing better how it will spread, to dramatically intervene, where there is much to learn from the Heath Services in China. South Sudan, Kenya, Bangladesh, Syria, Haiti, are greatly threatened, refugee camps are 8.5 x denser than in the Diamond Princess; but in slums around the world, there is very limited hygiene, to say the least. 34 countries are listed as fragile in this regard.

...much interesting reference material sited.

...seven billion infections means 40 million deaths, without mitigation. Reducing elderly and very young, contact (isolation) means a 40-60% reduction.

...only when a vaccine is found is the world safe from this, literally, new virus.

...in lower income countries, it will be 25x higher, the need for hospital treatment, resulting from the added stress of malnutrition, without advanced intervention; food security, more doctors, and material.

[Tim Drayton]

Coronavirus: Sweden has eschewed lockdown, bucking trend

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/05/01/coro ... ing-trend/

[Tim Drayton]

Locking up the elderly until coronavirus is defeated is a cruel mockery of basic human values: Former Supreme Court judge LORD SUMPTION gives a withering critique of the Government's lockdown

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... kdown.html

An insightful interview with Lord Sumption about the worrying human rights implications of the lockdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqrR11HNFp8

More confirmation bias, no doubt. OK folks, give me links to things I should be reading/listening to so as to correct this!

[erolz66]

Coronavirus: Sweden has eschewed lockdown, bucking trend

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/05/01/coro ... ing-trend/

Measured against 'the chart' and comparing to Norway, nearest neighbour geographically and culturally.

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https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/

[erolz66]

More confirmation bias, no doubt. OK folks, give me links to things I should be reading/listening to so as to correct this!

You mean other than all the 'hysterical' 'sensationalist' stuff in the MSM that cites countless experts with real credentials and experience that do not concur with this opinion, that you berate and dismiss as being 'big pharma' lies paid for by Bill gates when such does not confirm you chosen bias ?