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[erolz66]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/apr/07/conspiracy-theory-paranoia-aliens-illuminati-beyonce-vaccines-cliven-bundy-jfk

Who are really the 'sheeple' here ? The ones who believe that interstellar lizards in people suits rule the world, or the ones who do not ?

False dichotomy. Some of us find David Icke to be a bizarre character to put it mildly, but attach a lot of credibility to the rational arguments of the many eminent experts who are questioning aspects of the narrative the media at large is spinning round the current epidemic - especially in view of the amount of financial support the Bill Gates foundation now gives to major media outlets around the world and the web of connections that tie this foundation with big pharma interests. One can question the dominant media narrative of this virus without believing that extraterrestrial beings are ruling the world!
Frankly I am more interested at getting the clearest possible picture of the truth rather than trading silly ad-hominem comments.

Bill Gates uses his billions to influence things and us. You think the Koch brothers (well brother now) do not ? You think they both do so with the same degree of transparency ?

So if we are trying to get best picture of the truth, why are you pushing two doctors with minority opinions more than talking about the hard, simple to understand, total death numbers shown in the ONS England and Wales stats ? You did mention them once two weeks ago. Vs a hell of a lot more posts about 'conspiracy theories' about your two doctors being 'silenced' by the MSM and Bill Gates. The first just 'happens' to support what you appear to believe 'that we are over reacting' and the later does not. Am I being mad or unfair to see a connection there ?

And yes of course it's a false dichotomy. I would claim it is used in the face of others (Paphitis) who systematically uses such false dichotomies to a degree and frequency far exceeding anything I do, all without apparent comment from you. Unfair ? I also accept its a false dichotomy.

[Tim Drayton]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/apr/07/conspiracy-theory-paranoia-aliens-illuminati-beyonce-vaccines-cliven-bundy-jfk

Who are really the 'sheeple' here ? The ones who believe that interstellar lizards in people suits rule the world, or the ones who do not ?

False dichotomy. Some of us find David Icke to be a bizarre character to put it mildly, but attach a lot of credibility to the rational arguments of the many eminent experts who are questioning aspects of the narrative the media at large is spinning round the current epidemic - especially in view of the amount of financial support the Bill Gates foundation now gives to major media outlets around the world and the web of connections that tie this foundation with big pharma interests. One can question the dominant media narrative of this virus without believing that extraterrestrial beings are ruling the world!
Frankly I am more interested at getting the clearest possible picture of the truth rather than trading silly ad-hominem comments.

Bill Gates uses his billions to influence things and us. You think the Koch brothers (well brother now) do not ? You think they both do so with the same degree of transparency ?

So if we are trying to get best picture of the truth, why are you pushing two doctors with minority opinions more than talking about the hard, simple to understand, total death numbers shown in the ONS England and Wales stats ? You did mention them once two weeks ago. Vs a hell of a lot more posts about 'conspiracy theories' about your two doctors being 'silenced' by the MSM and Bill Gates. The first just 'happens' to support what you appear to believe 'that we are over reacting' and the later does not. Am I being mad or unfair to see a connection there ?

And yes of course it's a false dichotomy. I would claim it is used in the face of others (Paphitis) who systematically uses such false dichotomies to a degree and frequency far exceeding anything I do, all without apparent comment from you. Unfair ? I also accept its a false dichotomy.

Two doctors? I have provided links to opinions expressed by a considerable number of medical professionals, some of them world-renowned academics in relevant branches of medicine.

[erolz66]

Two doctors? I have provided links to opinions expressed by a considerable number of medical professionals, some of them world-renowned academics in relevant branches of medicine.

The dichotomy was between the number of post you had made between those two doctors and how the MSM controlled by Bill Gates was trying to silence them vs how many you have made about the simple to understand hard ONS numbers. Yes you have posted links to experts with considerably greater credentials than these two and all of them in some form or another support a narrative of 'we are over reacting'. So on a scale ranging from 'just looking for truth' through to 'just looking for support for what I already believe' I think it is not unfair to see you as nearer to the 'support what you already believe' end of that spectrum than the other end. Unfair ?

[Tim Drayton]

Indeed, the number of weekly deaths as per the official figures have been well above average for a couple of weeks.
The following chart helps to put things in perspective, showing that similar peaks have occurred in the past:

[CrookedRiverGuy]

US intelligence services have announced that Covid-19 is not man-made


US intelligence services have announced that Covid-19 is not man-made, but says officials continue to investigate whether the new coronavirus escaped from a laboratory.

In a statement released Thursday, the US Office for the Director of National Intelligence confirmed Covid-19 originated in China, and added: ‘The intelligence community also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not man-made or genetically modified.’


The statement said that intelligence chiefs continue to work to try and establish whether the Covid-19 outbreak ‘began through contact with infected animals, of it if was the result of an accident in a laboratory in Wuhan.’ Earlier this month, President Trump refused to deny claims put to him that US intelligence officials believe Covid-19 may have begun spreading after an accident at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.


https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/30/us-intelligence-says-covid-19-not-man-made-might-have-escaped-wuhan-virus-lab-12635644/

[Tim Drayton]

As I have suggested before, there has been a curious anomaly in the official weekly death statistics in the past couple of weeks. Yes, deaths have been well above average, but the increase is far greater than the number of deaths officially attributed to Covid-19. This phenomenon is not unique to the UK, either, as the following report shows:

https://www.oregonlive.com/health/2020/ ... -show.html

[CrookedRiverGuy]

As I have suggested before, there has been a curious anomaly in the official weekly death statistics in the past couple of weeks. Yes, deaths have been well above average, but the increase is far greater than the number of deaths officially attributed to Covid-19.

Please explain this to me, Tim

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[erolz66]

Indeed, the number of weekly deaths as per the official figures have been well above average for a couple of weeks.
The following chart helps to put things in perspective, showing that similar peaks have occurred in the past:

Your image link is broken. take the s out of https to fix it.

The provisional official figures have shown dramatic rises in the last three weeks not couple, as you say. With slight increase in the week preceding those (week 13). The last week, week 16 is up to the 17 April, so two weeks lag. No one hopes that next weeks figures, week 17 , week ending 24th April they start to decline again but it seems unlikely to me. So yes there have been 'spikes' in the past but you are comparing the past with the middle of something 'unfinished' it seems to me. Oh and your chart only goes up to week 15, total 18,516. We now have week 17 with total 22,351 which is higher than any previous peak in your chart going back to 1993.

[erolz66]

As I have suggested before, there has been a curious anomaly in the official weekly death statistics in the past couple of weeks. Yes, deaths have been well above average, but the increase is far greater than the number of deaths officially attributed to Covid-19. This phenomenon is not unique to the UK, either, as the following report shows:

https://www.oregonlive.com/health/2020/ ... -show.html

And once more. We have know how to count total deaths for a long time. In terms of reporting structures and systems. The classification of 'dead' or 'not dead' is as binary as you can get. We are learning how to 'count' covid deaths in the midst of the crisis itself. Cause of death is not a binary definition.

IMO Tim you talk the talk of 'looking for the truth' but all I see is you walking the walk of 'I have decide what the truth is'.

[erolz66]

Talking of discrepancies Tim as far as I can see on your 'tiny' chart image there appears to be a spike of 16,195 around June 2015. Yet if I download the ONS spread sheet for 2015 this is what I see in June in number format.

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So where is the 16k spike shown on your graph in the actual ONS numbers ?

OK have found the 2015 spike (and the 2018) one in the raw numbers.For both years they are in week 1 or 2 and last only 1 or 2 weeks and basically are seasonal flu spikes. So basically you are still on the 'its just flu' track I see. Well if you look at actual numbers for each year you can see that something very different is going on in 2020, because here the spike is NOT in week one or two. It is starting in week 14. And even though it has not come close to finishing you can see that the spike is higher and spread over a longer number of weeks - even without who knows how many still to come than any of the periodic flu spikes in any year going back to 1993.

So what ARE you looking for Tim ? The truth or anything that supports what you have already decided is the truth ?