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[erolz66]

It is well within the realms of possibility and statistical probability that the 'turkish occupier' in RH story is them self a Cypriot who lost their former home, possibly more than once, had lost loved ones to illegal inter communal violence, all before they became a 'Turkish occupier' of a GC home in the north.

[Robin Hood]

Robin Hood:

Our GC friend virtually ignored her and pushed the woman’s curious children away. It was a side of her character I had never seen before and took me by surprise, I found her attitude embarrassing! She toured the house in anger and was most off-hand to the Turkish(?) occupier, although she tried to be friendly, even offering us a drink, which our friend rejected with a wave of the hand

B25:

Easy for an outsider to say. Let me ask you this RH. Do you own your own home here in Cyprus? If yes, did you work all you life to be able to buy this? If yes, then how the fuck would you feel if a couple of large GC fellas came to yours , raped your wife and daughter, murdered your son and brother, then let the house to complete strangers??

I guess you would be happy about that situation, yes? Like fuck you would even if it were not thee present occupants that were to blame.

So be fore you preach this BS to us, just take a moment and reflect what many, over 200,000 people went through during that time and you just calmly brush it of a we hate them, they hate us scenario.

Your extremist GC reply is one reason I normally avoid any debate of The Cyprus Problem! You demonstrate the very hatred I saw on that day and with hatred so intense and ingrained there can never be a united Cyprus!

[Kikapu]

Robin Hood:

Our GC friend virtually ignored her and pushed the woman’s curious children away. It was a side of her character I had never seen before and took me by surprise, I found her attitude embarrassing! She toured the house in anger and was most off-hand to the Turkish(?) occupier, although she tried to be friendly, even offering us a drink, which our friend rejected with a wave of the hand

B25:

Easy for an outsider to say. Let me ask you this RH. Do you own your own home here in Cyprus? If yes, did you work all you life to be able to buy this? If yes, then how the fuck would you feel if a couple of large GC fellas came to yours , raped your wife and daughter, murdered your son and brother, then let the house to complete strangers??

I guess you would be happy about that situation, yes? Like fuck you would even if it were not thee present occupants that were to blame.

So be fore you preach this BS to us, just take a moment and reflect what many, over 200,000 people went through during that time and you just calmly brush it of a we hate them, they hate us scenario.

Your extremist GC reply is one reason I normally avoid any debate of The Cyprus Problem! You demonstrate the very hatred I saw on that day and with hatred so intense and ingrained there can never be a united Cyprus!

RH,

It is human nature for your friend to have been resentful of a Turk living in her former home after all that was done during the invasion. Yes, the poor Turkish woman living in that home personally did nothing to your GC friend, but it is like a cop killer kills a cop because some other motherfucker cop did something wrong to him in the past, so next uniformed cop will become his victim regardless the victim cop did anything wrong to him or not. It is hard to rationalize it. Granted, The Turkish woman living in your friend’s home also must know that she came from another country to occupy a home that does not belong to her no matter how much she can make justification that she herself did not kick anyone out of their home. It is no different than someone receiving stolen goods, which is a crime in most countries. Hate is hard to wash away, which can destroy the hater and their victims.

[erolz66]

RH,

It is human nature for your friend to have been resentful of a Turk living in her former home after all that was done during the invasion. Yes, the poor Turkish woman living in that home personally did nothing to your GC friend, but it is like a cop killer kills a cop because some other motherfucker cop did something wrong to him in the past, so next uniformed cop will become his victim regardless the victim cop did anything wrong to him or not. It is hard to rationalize it. Granted, The Turkish woman living in your friend’s home also must know that she came from another country to occupy a home that does not belong to her no matter how much she can make justification that she herself did not kick anyone out of their home. It is no different than someone receiving stolen goods, which is a crime in most countries. Hate is hard to wash away, which can destroy the hater and their victims.

Why do you assume that the woman was Turkish and not Turkish Cypriot ?

[Maximus]

People occupying someones else property or home are the ones in the wrong here. Whether it is their fault or not it is simply wrong.

You are looking at the victims reaction to this and comparing it to the occupiers and saying she is the one who is wrong because the illegal occupier came across as nice.

This doesnt make anything right.

It does not matter whether the occupier was Turkish or Turkish Cypriot. The GC's have always maintained that TC property can be reclaimed and returned but the TC's want to keep what they stole. As well as making claims to property they abandoned in the south. They are not thinking straight and this is pervasive in their position and the debate.

This is one major obstacle the TC's maintain that prevents finding a feasible and just solution to the problem.

[Paphitis]

Robin Hood:

Our GC friend virtually ignored her and pushed the woman’s curious children away. It was a side of her character I had never seen before and took me by surprise, I found her attitude embarrassing! She toured the house in anger and was most off-hand to the Turkish(?) occupier, although she tried to be friendly, even offering us a drink, which our friend rejected with a wave of the hand

B25:

Easy for an outsider to say. Let me ask you this RH. Do you own your own home here in Cyprus? If yes, did you work all you life to be able to buy this? If yes, then how the fuck would you feel if a couple of large GC fellas came to yours , raped your wife and daughter, murdered your son and brother, then let the house to complete strangers??

I guess you would be happy about that situation, yes? Like fuck you would even if it were not thee present occupants that were to blame.

So be fore you preach this BS to us, just take a moment and reflect what many, over 200,000 people went through during that time and you just calmly brush it of a we hate them, they hate us scenario.

Your extremist GC reply is one reason I normally avoid any debate of The Cyprus Problem! You demonstrate the very hatred I saw on that day and with hatred so intense and ingrained there can never be a united Cyprus!

It's got nothing to do with extremist behaviour.

Your GC friend (I'm amazed you have any to be honest), is NOT an extremist. A victim yes, but no extremist. People handle their grief in different ways. And whilst you yourself said that your "friend" is a rather nice person, she basically got violently uprooted from her property. And whilst the TC occupant might be dealing with her own grief and loss for whatever reason, it isn't beyond the realms of reality for your GC "friend" to be overcome with some anger and disbelief and various other tough emotions and memories and possibly quite severe PTSD. There is no doubt your GC "friend" is finding it difficult to cope with the anger but she would certainly not be the only person in that boat. You, since you proclaim to be an educated man, should have displayed humility and understanding. perhaps explain this to the TC occupant who I am sure would show some understanding as she too might also be struggling with the same emotions. That would have gone a long way as well in making the TC occupant feel better, and then after that you could have offered support to your "friend" for what are COMPLETELY NORMAL emotions of anger under such circumstances and make her feel better.

It happens all the time, even among veterans who have lost friends, and seen some gruesome things or suffered a loss. So much so, to the point of suicide even. these things can drive many people over the bend towards very severe depression and into some astounding dark places sometimes. They can do without the judgement.

[B25]

Robin Hood:

Our GC friend virtually ignored her and pushed the woman’s curious children away. It was a side of her character I had never seen before and took me by surprise, I found her attitude embarrassing! She toured the house in anger and was most off-hand to the Turkish(?) occupier, although she tried to be friendly, even offering us a drink, which our friend rejected with a wave of the hand

B25:

Easy for an outsider to say. Let me ask you this RH. Do you own your own home here in Cyprus? If yes, did you work all you life to be able to buy this? If yes, then how the fuck would you feel if a couple of large GC fellas came to yours , raped your wife and daughter, murdered your son and brother, then let the house to complete strangers??

I guess you would be happy about that situation, yes? Like fuck you would even if it were not thee present occupants that were to blame.

So be fore you preach this BS to us, just take a moment and reflect what many, over 200,000 people went through during that time and you just calmly brush it of a we hate them, they hate us scenario.

Your extremist GC reply is one reason I normally avoid any debate of The Cyprus Problem! You demonstrate the very hatred I saw on that day and with hatred so intense and ingrained there can never be a united Cyprus!

In that case then you should just STFU and not talk about things you don't know anything about. Not only did the British assist the invasion, did not honour their signature as guarantors, maintain support for the occupation regime to date, and you living here in our country and you have nothing good to say about us. F U Robin, stick to 9/11 where you can at least offer some scientic facts and leave the Cyprus problem to those affected. Asshole.

[erolz66]

People occupying someones else property or home are the ones in the wrong here. Whether it is their fault or not it is simply wrong.

And when the borders opened there were TC who went to revisit their former homes to find people living in them. To find the remains being used as animal barns. To find whole villages that have literally just disappeared entirely.

The GC's have always maintained that TC property can be reclaimed and returned but the TC's want to keep what they stole.

A TC can only reclaim their former pre 74 property in the south, if they first become resident in the south, though not in their former home, for at least 6 months. When a TC did this and then tried to reclaim their former home that was being occupied by a GC refugee it took them over ten years of fighting in the RoC courts and then the ECHR before they finally got return of what was always theirs and this was done days before the ECHR was due to rule specifically so that there would be no forced change in the laws in the RoC and thus require the next TC to do it to have go through the same process. It is also a fact that all be it in tiny numbers some GC refugees were given legal freehold title to pre 74 TC properties in the south.

As well as making claims to property they abandoned in the south. They are not thinking straight and this is pervasive in their position and the debate.

No TC who had received GC property in the North in compensation for that they lost in the South is able to reclaim their property in the South. In order to reclaim their property in the south, provided it was not one of the exceptional cases where freehold title had already been given to a GC refugee and provided they first reside in the south for 6 months would have to prove that they did not have compensating GC property in the north. The burden of this proof is on them.

This is one major obstacle the TC's maintain that prevents finding a feasible and just solution to the problem.

The idea that the reason we have not found a solution is because TC are greedy thieves and GC are all honest victims sounds and smells like convenient BS to me.

[Kikapu]

RH,

It is human nature for your friend to have been resentful of a Turk living in her former home after all that was done during the invasion. Yes, the poor Turkish woman living in that home personally did nothing to your GC friend, but it is like a cop killer kills a cop because some other motherfucker cop did something wrong to him in the past, so next uniformed cop will become his victim regardless the victim cop did anything wrong to him or not. It is hard to rationalize it. Granted, The Turkish woman living in your friend’s home also must know that she came from another country to occupy a home that does not belong to her no matter how much she can make justification that she herself did not kick anyone out of their home. It is no different than someone receiving stolen goods, which is a crime in most countries. Hate is hard to wash away, which can destroy the hater and their victims.

Why do you assume that the woman was Turkish and not Turkish Cypriot ?

I didn’t assume anything, Erolz. I just repeated what RH stated in his post, that’s all.

[erolz66]

Why do you assume that the woman was Turkish and not Turkish Cypriot ?

I didn’t assume anything, Erolz. I just repeated what RH stated in his post, that’s all.

RH's initial description of the woman was

The ‘Turkish’ lady occupant

Why do you think he used quotes round the word Turkish in that description ? To me it seemed clear that he used the quotes to denote some degree of ambiguity over her actual status. Yet you then went on to describe her as a Turk that had come from another country to live in Cyprus as if that was known and definite fact.