MR-from-NG wrote:repulsewarrior wrote:MR-from-NG wrote:repulsewarrior wrote:...and you can count on those who think the world is free for them to plunder, will resist; this is natural.
What is important to remember is that "we" are individuals, it as as persons where we may find comfort, but acts are done by you, whether it is "you" that you're doing it for or not. That is the Problem; it has no "Greek" or "Turk" in its solution, nor should it, we are Human beings (and not just Persons).
Having my Faith in Love as an infinite power, i/I do not despair, i serve willingly. Cyprus will be Free, because this too is natural. Having made my choice i do not regret "being" a Cypriot, not "Greek", not "Turkish", although it is difficult not feeling welcome by Greeks and Turks who have bought into the mythical reality that "their" side is completely right in any case.
We need good intentions. If "we" are to resist "them", let's make it clear, in Cyprus; it is not about Greeks against Turks, it is not even about "Greeks" against "Turks", it is about Greeks/Turks against "Greeks"/"Turks".
RW, you lived in a mixed village and only have good things to say about your TC neighbours. You are not the problem, the problem is those kids that go through your education system and those that listen to conman priests.
...the Problem is that Greeks allow "Greeks" to represent them, because they are against "Turks". The Problem is that Turks do the same thing to Greeks, with "Turks". The Problem is that Greeks and Turks must recognise that their adversary in this Problem are not each other, but the hateful enterprise as it exists of those "others".
...just ''be'' Cypriot, and realise that ''Greeks'' and ''Turks'' are the same; and that "they" are not Cypriot.
...we must stop labeling each other; "This" must stop.
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..it has nothing to do with schools, it is a cheap excuse, or priests; it is up to you (and every one of us, accordingly).
...i have good things to say about my neighbours because i recognise that these neighbours deserve this esteem. There are neighbours, "Greek" and "Turkish" too, but why dwell on them? Who "wins" if i do that?
...and yes, a President that refuses to stand beside the Flag of Cyprus is just plain wrong to me, (especially if they are calling for Constitutional reform as well,) just like the flags on the mountain; it is from ignorance such as it is.
You make a point but I cannot agree with you regarding your schools and priests. You go to school and you are taught 2 plus two is 4 and 2 times two is 4. This is absolute fact and can never be questioned. If the next teacher repeatedly tells me Turks are evil, Turks are barbarians, murderers then that is fact for me, an undeniable fact.
I heard a story when the borders first opened. It is rumoured that a TC with good command of the Greek language saw a little kid pulling at her mothers dress and saying mum, mum, they are just like us, they don't look evil like you've been telling me. They look like us mum and I'm not scared one bit. I wasn't there but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was indeed true.
...and so what? Are you telling me all Greeks can be described by this event; true or false, just gossip? This is what changed you from a Cypriot to a "Turk" (or "Turk" supporter)? You/''you'' have a long way to go, to ''be'' a Cypriot, it seems.
Schools can do better in Cyprus, and they will, when children learn the History of where they live, as Cypriots, and where they learn of the Modern History that tore them apart, as such.
You demean yourself if you believe, the politics of division is not taught at schools in the occupied territories, who is "right" who is "wrong", or that Turkey is not doing its very best to have Turkish Cypriots completely assimilated, becoming something very different as "Cypriot Turks". Indeed, this should be your issue, (as a Turkish Cypriot) you can blame the "Greeks" if you like, but without the Greeks, against the "Turks", that is on you, if instead, (as a Cypriot) you choose to substantiate these myths with your agreement.
Indeed, the Republic is not racist as an institution, although there are "Greeks" within it, and it needs reform. The regime in the occupied north on the other hand serves only one interest, in affect neither Turkish Cypriots, or Cypriots in general, but its own.
Furthermore, Max states facts, not gossip. His harshness as such is most disagreeable; in any case these issues cannot be dismissed by your frustration with them (or him). Something fair for the displaced, all of them, from '63 and '74, should be our first priority, Justice seen, something we will all agree upon that all of us can do, not just for them but for all of us. I have suggested that enclaves are not a dirty word, and if they spot the whole island as it is, it provides for both constituencies to provide their services island-wide. Even if the "Green Line" remains, little changed, it is no border, to Cypriots, but a frontier not unlike the many other that would exist. Communities can return, as they left. New communities can be established as well. In any case, free movement, association, and expression, are vastly improved, if as Cypriots, Cypriot Constituencies demonstrate their capacity to recognise and respect, that while they hold the Agenda as a majority, they must provide for the special needs of their minorities as well.
Small minded the Cypriot who believes that Cypriots are not a power of significance, as Cypriots; as Individuals, not just as Persons. It is in effect a no-brainer to surmise that the social economy of Cyprus, its prosperity and the wealth of its People, would be much more, united.
