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[MR-from-NG]

I suppose the TC's dinndu nuffin to Cyprus and the GC's 50 + years ago and they are doin nuffin now..

You probably missed this bit in my post Max " Seriously dude, more effort is needed on both sides rather thinking the world has changed for the better since 62.
I'm not claiming TC's are angels but it would be fair to say GC's need to work a little bit harder than TC's to find a balance.

No, you are saying that "the balance" is out of wack because of the GC's and the TC's dont have to do nuffin for it to be regained.

Maybe you can be more specific and tell us, what the Gc's have to do to find the balance?

By balance I meant mutual tolerance, love and respect. You could start with your schools and churches. The parents will hopefully follow suit.

I can agree with the first sentence, generally speaking but the second and third sentence is just diabolical perpetuated myths.

OK, so what do the TC's need to do?

Come on Max. You are beginning to sound like Sotos. Why live in denial? Are you denying your schools are teaching you from a young age to see us as your enemies? Are you denying your army bases have soldiers shouting at the top of their voices "A good Turk is a dead Turk". Can you deny the church is as powerful as your government and will not agree to any meaningful settlement to the Cyprus problem.

What the TC's have to do is very little in comparison. Our schools don't teach to hate, our mosques are hardly frequented by TC's so you have very little to worry about.

[MR-from-NG]

...and you can count on those who think the world is free for them to plunder, will resist; this is natural.

What is important to remember is that "we" are individuals, it as as persons where we may find comfort, but acts are done by you, whether it is "you" that you're doing it for or not. That is the Problem; it has no "Greek" or "Turk" in its solution, nor should it, we are Human beings (and not just Persons).

Having my Faith in Love as an infinite power, i/I do not despair, i serve willingly. Cyprus will be Free, because this too is natural. Having made my choice i do not regret "being" a Cypriot, not "Greek", not "Turkish", although it is difficult not feeling welcome by Greeks and Turks who have bought into the mythical reality that "their" side is completely right in any case.

We need good intentions. If "we" are to resist "them", let's make it clear, in Cyprus; it is not about Greeks against Turks, it is not even about "Greeks" against "Turks", it is about Greeks/Turks against "Greeks"/"Turks".

RW, you lived in a mixed village and only have good things to say about your TC neighbours. You are not the problem, the problem is those kids that go through your education system and those that listen to conman priests.

[Maximus]

If you recall, I have said that, I wasnt educated in Cyprus and I dont go to church unless there is a christening, wedding or a funeral. For example.

So I really wouldn't know what you are talking about.

With that being said, you dont strike me to be the kind of person that goes to church or a Cypriot school either, so it would be fair and reasonable to conclude that you dont know what you are talking about.

But let me give you the benefit of the doubt, if you think that GC's are being taught to hate TC's and Turks then you have to ask yourself why? What are the TC's and Turks doing to warrant it and that is relevant to what the TC's need to do to "rebalance things".

Given that you think the TC's have to do very little in comparison, even less than GC schools and churches and parents educating their kids then you are being disingenuous and delusional. Therefor, you cant expect that Cyprus will not be reunited, even in your grand children's life time with views like this. That is, if your views are representative of the typical TC.

You are absolutely missing the mark and you haven't even got a clue..

[MR-from-NG]

If you recall, I have said that, I wasnt educated in Cyprus and I dont go to church unless there is a christening, wedding or a funeral. For example.

So I really wouldn't know what you are talking about.

With that being said, you dont strike me to be the kind of person that goes to church or a Cypriot school either, so it would be fair and reasonable to conclude that you dont know what you are talking about.

But let me give you the benefit of the doubt, if you think that GC's are being taught to hate TC's and Turks then you have to ask yourself why? What are the TC's and Turks doing to warrant it and that is relevant to what the TC's need to do to "rebalance things".

Given that you think the TC's have to do very little in comparison, even less than GC schools and churches and parents educating their kids then you are being disingenuous and delusional. Therefor, you cant expect that Cyprus will not be reunited, even in your grand children's life time with views like this. That is, if your views are representative of the typical TC.

You are absolutely missing the mark and you haven't even got a clue..

Then our discussion ends here.

[Kikapu]

I suppose the TC's dinndu nuffin to Cyprus and the GC's 50 + years ago and they are doin nuffin now..

You probably missed this bit in my post Max " Seriously dude, more effort is needed on both sides rather thinking the world has changed for the better since 62.
I'm not claiming TC's are angels but it would be fair to say GC's need to work a little bit harder than TC's to find a balance.

No, you are saying that "the balance" is out of wack because of the GC's and the TC's dont have to do nuffin for it to be regained.

Maybe you can be more specific and tell us, what the Gc's have to do to find the balance?

By balance I meant mutual tolerance, love and respect. You could start with your schools and churches. The parents will hopefully follow suit.

I can agree with the first sentence, generally speaking but the second and third sentence is just diabolical perpetuated myths.

OK, so what do the TC's need to do?

Come on Max. You are beginning to sound like Sotos. Why live in denial? Are you denying your schools are teaching you from a young age to see us as your enemies? Are you denying your army bases have soldiers shouting at the top of their voices "A good Turk is a dead Turk". Can you deny the church is as powerful as your government and will not agree to any meaningful settlement to the Cyprus problem.

What the TC's have to do is very little in comparison. Our schools don't teach to hate, our mosques are hardly frequented by TC's so you have very little to worry about.

MR, the biggest goodwill the TCs can do to receive the most from the GCs in return, is to bring down those flags from the mountain, which offends the GCs Day & Night. I know some TCs and Turks love to piss the GCs off, but it does very little to curb any hate feelings towards the TCs by the GCs. Just my opinion.

[MR-from-NG]

I suppose the TC's dinndu nuffin to Cyprus and the GC's 50 + years ago and they are doin nuffin now..

You probably missed this bit in my post Max " Seriously dude, more effort is needed on both sides rather thinking the world has changed for the better since 62.
I'm not claiming TC's are angels but it would be fair to say GC's need to work a little bit harder than TC's to find a balance.

No, you are saying that "the balance" is out of wack because of the GC's and the TC's dont have to do nuffin for it to be regained.

Maybe you can be more specific and tell us, what the Gc's have to do to find the balance?

By balance I meant mutual tolerance, love and respect. You could start with your schools and churches. The parents will hopefully follow suit.

I can agree with the first sentence, generally speaking but the second and third sentence is just diabolical perpetuated myths.

OK, so what do the TC's need to do?

Come on Max. You are beginning to sound like Sotos. Why live in denial? Are you denying your schools are teaching you from a young age to see us as your enemies? Are you denying your army bases have soldiers shouting at the top of their voices "A good Turk is a dead Turk". Can you deny the church is as powerful as your government and will not agree to any meaningful settlement to the Cyprus problem.

What the TC's have to do is very little in comparison. Our schools don't teach to hate, our mosques are hardly frequented by TC's so you have very little to worry about.

MR, the biggest goodwill the TCs can do to receive the most from the GCs in return, is to bring down those flags from the mountain, which offends the GCs Day & Night. I know some TCs and Turks love to piss the GCs off, but it does very little to curb any hate feelings towards the TCs by the GCs. Just my opinion.

Yes I agree Kicks and if you check some of my past posts I even suggested starting a campaign to do this. I even started making enquiries both here in the UK and in Cyprus and was told to be cautious as the flags are financed by a few wealthy Greek hating businessmen in the UK and I could get in trouble

Kicks, we are no shrinking Violets but having said that we are no match to our GC cousins when it comes to racism and hatred towards an ethnic group.

For Max to ask me to ask myself why we are hated is like Hitler in the dock in the Hague asking the court to ask the Jews why they were gassed. Or another example, white man accused of racism in court telling the judge. Ask the fucking nigger why he deserves to be discriminated against. Crazy.

[erolz66]

All we need to do is decide that we want to be Cypriot and believe that that means being more than just Greek or just Turkish. We need to choose to believe that it is the unique blend of both cultures in a specific ratio baked in a Cypriot sun and cooled in the shade of Cypriot mountains and trees that makes us Cypriot, that defines us as Cypriot. We need to choose to believe that a Cyprus without Turkish influence and culture or one without Greek influence and culture is lesser than with it. Once a majority decide to make those choices then and only then will we have real progress. imo

[Maximus]

For Max to ask me to ask myself why we are hated is like Hitler in the dock in the Hague asking the court to ask the Jews why they were gassed. Or another example, white man accused of racism in court telling the judge. Ask the fucking nigger why he deserves to be discriminated against. Crazy.

no its not, its like Nelson Mandela asking you why you are ignoring your apartheid and racist ways towards the GC's.

You also ignore all the property that should be returned, bringing yourselves up to democratic first world standards and the mosque not trying to usurp GC property on top of it all.

Kiks is right about that racist flag on the mountain.

this is to mention just a few things but we also have the TC's trying to gift other bits of Cyprus and her EEZ to Turkey. I can go on if I thought about it.

"You" are blind to your own rogue behavior, intolerance and hatred.

Whatever, the education system, the church and people teach their kids about the history of Cyprus might be true. To be honest, Turks are not held in much esteem anywhere outside of Pakistan. They are responsible for their actions and behaviour and this is directly correlated to how others perceive them. if the TC follow suit and do the same, then you will get their flees as well. You own that.

[Maximus]

All we need to do is decide that we want to be Cypriot and believe that that means being more than just Greek or just Turkish. We need to choose to believe that it is the unique blend of both cultures in a specific ratio baked in a Cypriot sun and cooled in the shade of Cypriot mountains and trees that makes us Cypriot, that defines us as Cypriot. We need to choose to believe that a Cyprus without Turkish influence and culture or one without Greek influence and culture is lesser than with it. Once a majority decide to make those choices then and only then will we have real progress. imo

Hello Erolz,

How you been? alright?

[erolz66]

Hello Erolz,

How you been? alright?

I am most excellent right now, thanks for asking. Just returned from 6 weeks in New Zealand where I got married to my kiwi partner of the last 25 years. Most excellent.