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[Lordo]

Erdogan, who else does the so called ''TRNC'' serve?

Indeed, same old same old; for the rest of us not "Turkish", we should just accept it because...?

...the victim, as you call them are not "Turkish" but Turkish, wouldn't you say?

It is not an "other" that has raised the question but another "Turk"; i am just the messenger.

You are running round and round in circles like a headless chicken RW if I maysay sao.

Let me put it in the language Kikapu likes. You are watching a girl being raped after you tied her down and then claiming yeah but I am not the one who is doing the raping. GCs guilt goes back to December 1963 and nothing has changed since. Deny everything all you like but you will be answerable to your god if indeed one does exist. The key is in the hands of the GCs and they refuse to use it but also refuse to hand it over. In the Kibris language that is the worst kind of "musubet" there is.

Our hands are tied baby. Release the shackles and then you will see some action. Real TC balls and BTW balls is something missing in the GC community from most of them except those 25% who voted yes in 2004. The rest is full of shit.

[repulsewarrior]

"our hands are tied",

...is that an apology?

You/"You" can deny half the population of Cyprus, it doesn't make them less Cypriot. Harken back to '63 or '74, only Turks and Greek Cypriots were victims of "Them"; we are still victims.

...i'll ask again, are you Turkish or a "Turk"?

[Lordo]

"our hands are tied",

...is that an apology?

You/"You" can deny half the population of Cyprus, it doesn't make them less Cypriot. Harken back to '63 or '74, only Turks and Greek Cypriots were victims of "Them"; we are still victims.

...i'll ask again, are you Turkish or a "Turk"?

If that will make you happy RW that is just fine dandy. After all why would TCs not be able to untie themselves right?

[Maximus]

"our hands are tied",

...is that an apology?

You/"You" can deny half the population of Cyprus, it doesn't make them less Cypriot. Harken back to '63 or '74, only Turks and Greek Cypriots were victims of "Them"; we are still victims.

...i'll ask again, are you Turkish or a "Turk"?

If that will make you happy RW that is just fine dandy. After all why would TCs not be able to untie themselves right?

Yeah, the Turks are in Cyprus for the TC's.

They will only leave and end the occupation when the TC's find a " political solution" with the GC's right?

A "solution" that favors Turkey, the settlers and the TC's right?

[Lordo]

Assholes never learn. shove the dummy where the sun does not shine and off to bed boy.

On November 10, 1978 the Anglo-American-Canadian Plan was handed over to us. I personally received it from US Assistant Secretary of State Matthew Nimetz at the Harvard Club, New York. It was probably the best plan we ever had. It was converting the unitary state of 1960 into a federal one. Varosha would be returned to its people from the very outset, irrespective of the outcome of the talks. At that time there were:
• No Turkish settlers
• No “users” of properties
• No rotating presidency
• No virgin-birth
• No bizonality
• The return of Morphou was not disputed
• There were no huge Turkish investments and water and electricity from Turkey.
• The occupation was not “deep” yet.

Nimetz told me that “Ankara was not negative”. However, we rejected the plan, despite my strong objections. It was rejected by the “great patriots”, who gradually destroyed Cyprus, the same people who are objecting and shouting today as well.

On August 8, 1983 I received personally from Hugo Gobbi, the Special Representative of UN Secretary-General Perez de Cuellar the “Indicators” initiative. The conditions were favourable, like in 1978. I had warned that a rejection of the initiative might lead to a declaration of a Turkish Cypriot state. These were the rumours in the international arena. President Kyprianou told me that he had the assurance of President Ceausescu of Romania, who had close ties with Ankara, that such a thing would not happen. The initiative was rejected, despite the objections of Disy and Akel.

I resigned as foreign minister on September 20, 1983. The “Turkish state” was declared 55 days later on November 15, 1983.
Other plans followed: The Consolidated Documents (1985), the Set of Ideas (1992), Troutbeck (1996), Annan Plan (2004). Each plan was worse than the previous one, because there were faits-accomplis as time had gone by. The talks of Christofias-Talat followed as well (2008).

Nothing happened. We were always pursuing the unachievable. In a world where, around us, people are bombed and perish, almost one half of the globe is immersed in blood and poverty we split hairs and we debate for weeks whether “Antigone” should be at occupied Salamis.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, you are right. Joe Clark did his best; nothing was heard of it: why i don't know.

The question is, who was Rolandis; a "Greek" you say, no different to a "Turk"?

...my question becomes, as Cypriots, what can 'we' do? We exist, despite the denial, and despite a Leadership which has become self-serving not as Cypriots, but as dogmatists (and elitists) who have the intention to usurp this identity, and to define it as "they" see fit.

You/"you', i ask therefore, what have you become accepting "their" narrative? Because it seems to me from your perspective, that Cypriots (do not exist, or) are too few to effect the change they want. Perhaps it is worth remembering that despite the decades of "their" assimilation, not less than half of us who are this island's dwellers continue to "be" Cypriots by voting accordingly.

...i suggest, as Cypriots having a picnic under the one Flag "they" both treat as a rag. Would you join me?

[Lordo]

...indeed, you are right. Joe Clark did his best; nothing was heard of it: why i don't know.

The question is, who was Rolandis; a "Greek" you say, no different to a "Turk"?

...my question becomes, as Cypriots, what can 'we' do? We exist, despite the denial, and despite a Leadership which has become self-serving not as Cypriots, but as dogmatists (and elitists) who have the intention to usurp this identity, and to define it as "they" see fit.

You/"you', i ask therefore, what have you become accepting "their" narrative? Because it seems to me from your perspective, that Cypriots (do not exist, or) are too few to effect the change they want. Perhaps it is worth remembering that despite the decades of "their" assimilation, not less than half of us who are this island's dwellers continue to "be" Cypriots by voting accordingly.

...i suggest, as Cypriots having a picnic under the one Flag "they" both treat as a rag. Would you join me?

You are off on a tangent again. The purpose of the above post was to show our baby with the dummy in his mouth that what he is caliming which is:

Yeah, the Turks are in Cyprus for the TC's. They will only leave and end the occupation when the TC's find a " political solution" with the GC's right? A "solution" that favors Turkey, the settlers and the TC's right?

It is bullshit. Because at that time there were very few settlers in Cyprus and the TCs actually declared KTFD - which was a federal state. They were not asking for seperate state and they were not even asking for Bi-zonal either and yet it was refused. We already had bi-communal in the constitution so no need for chaneg there.

But it seems you boys are so blinded that you cannot see the truth even if it was a snake and it bit you in the ass. But surely you must feel the pain. GC youth are also leaving Cyprus too.

[repulsewarrior]

...stuck in the past, you should join the Black Panthers, now.

...guilt what is it with you and guilt? Is it all you hang on to?

[Lordo]

...stuck in the past, you should join the Black Panthers, now.

...guilt what is it with you and guilt? Is it all you hang on to?

No I am not and you know it.

The stupid child said that the curtrent peace plan is unacceptable.

I am merely education him of the past when everything he objects to were not in the plan and it was refused.

[Maximus]

What a load of rubbish,

Put the dummy back in your mouth and go to bed now.