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[repulsewarrior]

...frankly, i am hopeful.

What harm will Tatar do but piss off the electorate who identify with the island as their home?

...indeed the "Greeks" and the "Turks" will seek to express a sentiment that escalates the enmity between them; this time Cypriots may not be so easily led as such, instead by representing themselves, on the streets, exposing "them".

AKEL, the Unions and the urban masses, have a big role in demonstrating, under the Flag of Cyprus, that such a thing as a Cypriot Identity already exists.

...DISY too, has a role to play, by finding candidates (as MEP, e.g.), and a team, from all walks of Cypriot life; as Cypriots, who will support for President, their choice in the next election campaign.

What better time to define the difference existentially, "Them" and "Us"; and on so many levels.

...what better way to express this unity, but in the occupied territories, peacefully and under the Flag of Cyprus?

[Maximus]

What are you hopeful of RW?

Kikapu hit the nail on the head.

The RoC wont agree to any of Tatar's proposals and Tatar wont get two separate states.

Case closed.

[repulsewarrior]

Max, it is the People i am talking about, not the Leadership; of course Tatar will do nothing toward what Cypriots, Turkish or Greek, want; he will work against such a notion.

...and they, the People, will demonstrate, on the streets, against his notions of "Turkishness".

Do you remember, hassiktir turkiye? It is not hard to imagine that such demonstrations will happen again.

[repulsewarrior]

Sunday, October 25, 2020
Tatar says working hard to get diplomatic recognition
https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/10/25/tata ... cognition/


...poor Mr. Tatar. I am waiting for him to make himself a fool suggesting his social-economy is acceptable as it is, to the EU, as an equal to the Republic. I am waiting for Mr. Erdogan to make a fool of him on an International stage, as he did to Mr. Talat, (who remembers the Grand Prix in Istanbul?), and Mr. Akinci, (presented as the "President of the TRNC" at an International Gala, but not important enough just one week before to sit at his daughter's wedding). But perhaps, this time it will not be Erdogan, but the People who will make him look small.

Perhaps i have a long memory, i think it is a Cypriot trait. I ask, how long will it take for Cypriots, Turkish and Greek, to understand that those "Greek" and "Turkish" are one in the same, that like Mr. Tatar their values are not Cypriot values, and that existentially, this Identity, Cypriot, will be usurped from them silenced.

...how long will it take for Greek Cypriots to join with their brethren at the very root of the Problem today, in the occupied territories, to declare, as Cypriots, that such a People exist no longer silent, under the Flag rightfully theirs, and as people, peacefully, in solidarity and in public demonstrations, exposing this fact to "them", to the other half, what elections have revealed for decades, that their delusion as "Greeks" or "Turks" who believe that only "they" may define what a Cypriot will mean, (that Cypriots in their minds are very few), is wrong.

Mr. Tatar is Erdogan's man; how will he feel when again banners say Assiktir Turkiye with thousands behind them.

...and who is Tufan, who came in third; i am very hopeful that AKEL will help his drive to keep Cyprus united, taking again the opportunity to join with all kinds of Cypriots, (as an example, what they did to find a candidate, now Cyprus' MEP a Turkish Cypriot), like DISY, a party not necessarily for "Greeks" who must follow in finding Cypriots as support, fellow conservatives who can agree on such a (read: their) Platform for Cypriots.

...and let's not forget the youth, what "Turkishness" represents to them. Such a dogma is an anathema to what they want in terms of Freedom, what expresses the love they have for Cyprus, and that as the (future) stewards of this island what they see as better reasons for remaining united, a People who live as people by the Rule of Law, as a State based on Universal Principals, and as Individuals, equals, without further distinction or discrimination.

...if i was Tatar, i would ask, where is the Greek Constituency? (If it is a BBF Greeks are seeking;) Who represents these Persons called Greeks? Who politically is his equal if a President represents Cypriots as a whole?

Indeed, what of Cypriot Constituencies? All of them, i imagine, have the same basic needs toward promoting their own distinct identities. Who doubts that Cypriots, with such a "mentality" could not find a Cypriot solution if Sovereignty was not on the table. But, Tatar seems at peace with being a "Turk", and i am not Tatar.

[repulsewarrior]

Erdogan’s inflammatory statements in favour of a two-state solution and his announcements on Varosha a gross provocation against Cyprus and its people

http://www.parikiaki.com/2020/10/erdoga ... its-people

29 October 2020 at 10:56 pm

…indeed, i ask again, who but AKEL can lead the vanguard from silenced to silent no more, in the occupied territories, as Cypriots Turkish and Greek under the Flag of Cyprus demonstrating this truth, that Cypriots are not few as those “Greek” and “Turkish” in their delusions deny.

Who dares to better define, what it is to be a Cypriot? Who dares to demonstrate as Cypriots, this fact with acts?

…indeed, without the People, what is AKEL but leaderless, if it is the People AKEL represents.

Also something to think about.

[repulsewarrior]

The protests begin...

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... ogan-visit

...only hundreds, to start; only Cypriots of Turkish origins, to start.

[repulsewarrior]

...he came, he went, this is what he said,

"ISTANBUL (Reuters) - President Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday that Turkey and breakaway Northern Cyprus will no longer tolerate “diplomacy games” in an international dispute over rights to offshore resources in the Eastern Mediterranean.

On a visit to the island’s north, which only Ankara recognises as a state, Erdogan said peace and stability cannot be achieved in the region unless Turkey and Northern Cyprus receive a fair share of territorial rights."

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-cypru ... KKBN27V0EC

...so, does this mean Turkish Cypriots will be shipped off to war; others in this web of "Brotherhood" do.

[Maximus]

So he is demanding a two state solution, to move more settlers in to Varosha and a fair share in "south Cypus's" EEZ as well.

Sounds very reasonable of him.

[repulsewarrior]

...yes, i am really looking forward to the demand that his regime deserves an EU membership; he will get a good dose of humility when he does that.

And of course the submarine base in Famagusta card has not been played yet either...

[Maximus]

I doubt that he is even self aware enough to realize the contradictory and hypocritical nature of taking such a position.