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[MR-from-NG]

OK, I accept your comments as true and have one question for you. In all that you learnt from books and asking questions, was there any mention of any injustice the TC's may have suffered? I would expect with such thorough research something by someone, a book maybe would at least make reference to injustice/injustices TC would have suffered. Perhaps you can make a list of what you heard/learned about these injustices.

Look,

I know that there was approximately the same amount of people killed on each side.

Without going in to the details of every single case, that is just unrealistic.

But,

injustice's existed on both sides. People suffered on both sides. It was a war.

That should be common sense.

No no no. You misunderstood my question. I was not referring to war time injustices or deaths. My question is for injustices after the declaration of independence and the announcement of RoC. I honestly believe such extensive research would've revealed such injustices, if there are none then I would question your source/sources of information.

[Lordo]

OK, I accept your comments as true and have one question for you. In all that you learnt from books and asking questions, was there any mention of any injustice the TC's may have suffered? I would expect with such thorough research something by someone, a book maybe would at least make reference to injustice/injustices TC would have suffered. Perhaps you can make a list of what you heard/learned about these injustices.

Look,

I know that there was approximately the same amount of people killed on each side.

Without going in to the details of every single case, that is just unrealistic.

But,

injustice's existed on both sides. People suffered on both sides. It was a war.

That should be common sense.

your density is showing again. it may be true that the same number of pibol were killed betwenn 1963 and june 1974 but as a percentage the tcs were 4 times as much. secondly the whole tc populastion were enclaved for 12 years. you think we suffered the same? you are one prize idiot of the grand prix stature. the tergs shoud have taken the wholeisland and enclave you for 11 years and you would understand what the tcs went through you stupid asshole.

[Maximus]

OK, I accept your comments as true and have one question for you. In all that you learnt from books and asking questions, was there any mention of any injustice the TC's may have suffered? I would expect with such thorough research something by someone, a book maybe would at least make reference to injustice/injustices TC would have suffered. Perhaps you can make a list of what you heard/learned about these injustices.

Look,

I know that there was approximately the same amount of people killed on each side.

Without going in to the details of every single case, that is just unrealistic.

But,

injustice's existed on both sides. People suffered on both sides. It was a war.

That should be common sense.

No no no. You misunderstood my question. I was not referring to war time injustices or deaths. My question is for injustices after the declaration of independence and the announcement of RoC. I honestly believe such extensive research would've revealed such injustices, if there are none then I would question your source/sources of information.

Cyprus wasn't independent though,

it was shackled to a minority with veto rights and by extension, a former imperial / colonial power (Turkey).

This is what lead to a civil war

Perhaps you can tell me so I can better understand what you are driving at.

When you do, tell me about the injustices to the GC's as well.

[Maximus]

OK, I accept your comments as true and have one question for you. In all that you learnt from books and asking questions, was there any mention of any injustice the TC's may have suffered? I would expect with such thorough research something by someone, a book maybe would at least make reference to injustice/injustices TC would have suffered. Perhaps you can make a list of what you heard/learned about these injustices.

Look,

I know that there was approximately the same amount of people killed on each side.

Without going in to the details of every single case, that is just unrealistic.

But,

injustice's existed on both sides. People suffered on both sides. It was a war.

That should be common sense.

your density is showing again. it may be true that the same number of pibol were killed betwenn 1963 and june 1974 but as a percentage the tcs were 4 times as much. secondly the whole tc populastion were enclaved for 12 years. you think we suffered the same? you are one prize idiot of the grand prix stature. the tergs shoud have taken the wholeisland and enclave you for 11 years and you would understand what the tcs went through you stupid asshole.

They should have accepted democracy then.

instead of clinging on to colonial structures and mechanisms that your side chose to fight for instead.

your side still fights for it, in and through the "TRNC" with Turkey.

extorting and trying to usurp whatever you can.

[repulsewarrior]

...in any case, were "Greeks" and "Turks" killing each other, or (for the most part) those not "them"?

[Lordo]

...in any case, were "Greeks" and "Turks" killing each other, or (for the most part) those not "them"?

of course not, although there are some terggish fanatics who claim that there were killings between the communities fromabout 1900 onwards and they list them too. but certianly they were isolated incidences and i suspect it was not a trggish griik thing,more like that it just happend to be between two pibol who were not part of the same group.

[repulsewarrior]

...sorry Lordo, don't understand what you are saying.

[Maximus]

Still waiting for Bordo to educate me as to why there are no Turkish Palestinians or Turkish Egyptians or Turkish Israelis that should have been "Partners" with veto rights in those respective states.

or why Turkey and the TC's only talk about their "rights" in Cyprus's and Greece's territories but not in Egypt's or Israel's or Palestine's, for example.

Why does Turkey have a "right" and make claims in Greece's and Cyprus's EEZ but not in Libya's, Syria's or Israel's or Egypt's?

Why do the TC's and Turks self proclaim their rights in the RoC but the GC's dont have any rights in the "TRNC" and in Turkey?

[Sotos]

OK, I accept your comments as true and have one question for you. In all that you learnt from books and asking questions, was there any mention of any injustice the TC's may have suffered? I would expect with such thorough research something by someone, a book maybe would at least make reference to injustice/injustices TC would have suffered. Perhaps you can make a list of what you heard/learned about these injustices.

Look,

I know that there was approximately the same amount of people killed on each side.

Without going in to the details of every single case, that is just unrealistic.

But,

injustice's existed on both sides. People suffered on both sides. It was a war.

That should be common sense.

No no no. You misunderstood my question. I was not referring to war time injustices or deaths. My question is for injustices after the declaration of independence and the announcement of RoC. I honestly believe such extensive research would've revealed such injustices, if there are none then I would question your source/sources of information.

The injustices with the so called "independence" were all against the Greek Cypriots. The so called "independence" that was forced on Cyprus included foreign armies, foreign sovereign bases of the colonialists, foreign "guarantors", foreign judges of the supreme court... does this sound like "independence" to you? Do you know any other independent country that has such things? And on top of that, the 18% minority was given veto powers, 30% of the civil servants positions (and you know that in Cyprus everybody wants to be a civil servant), 40% of the police etc etc. There were proposals for the reform of this "independence" which the Colonialists forced on us by blackmail. Your community rejected the reforms and responded with violence.

We are aware of your casualties during that period, but you were not the only side to have casualties in this period, and this was not the only period of Cyprus history. If we add everything together then you have caused A LOT more casualties and suffering to us than the other way around. Now you are selectively using the past in order to excuse more crimes against us and then you wonder why you are hated!!

Like Maximus I hardly learned anything from school regarding the Cyprus problem. I learned as much about it as I learned French. Most of what I know I learned from my own research (which includes this forum). I am fully aware of how much and for how long you suffered and I recognize it. But at the same time I know about the suffering of GCs, which was more and for far longer periods. Therefore the past can not be used as an excuse by you.

So if you want a solution lets agree to something which is FAIR now.

If you want to gain on our expense because you are supposedly the "good" people that need to be rewarded on the expense of the "bad" people, then there will be no solution and you will be deservingly hated.

[MR-from-NG]

OK, I accept your comments as true and have one question for you. In all that you learnt from books and asking questions, was there any mention of any injustice the TC's may have suffered? I would expect with such thorough research something by someone, a book maybe would at least make reference to injustice/injustices TC would have suffered. Perhaps you can make a list of what you heard/learned about these injustices.

Look,

I know that there was approximately the same amount of people killed on each side.

Without going in to the details of every single case, that is just unrealistic.

But,

injustice's existed on both sides. People suffered on both sides. It was a war.

That should be common sense.

No no no. You misunderstood my question. I was not referring to war time injustices or deaths. My question is for injustices after the declaration of independence and the announcement of RoC. I honestly believe such extensive research would've revealed such injustices, if there are none then I would question your source/sources of information.

The injustices with the so called "independence" were all against the Greek Cypriots. The so called "independence" that was forced on Cyprus included foreign armies, foreign sovereign bases of the colonialists, foreign "guarantors", foreign judges of the supreme court... does this sound like "independence" to you? Do you know any other independent country that has such things? And on top of that, the 18% minority was given veto powers, 30% of the civil servants positions (and you know that in Cyprus everybody wants to be a civil servant), 40% of the police etc etc. There were proposals for the reform of this "independence" which the Colonialists forced on us by blackmail. Your community rejected the reforms and responded with violence.

We are aware of your casualties during that period, but you were not the only side to have casualties in this period, and this was not the only period of Cyprus history. If we add everything together then you have caused A LOT more casualties and suffering to us than the other way around. Now you are selectively using the past in order to excuse more crimes against us and then you wonder why you are hated!!

Like Maximus I hardly learned anything from school regarding the Cyprus problem. I learned as much about it as I learned French. Most of what I know I learned from my own research (which includes this forum). I am fully aware of how much and for how long you suffered and I recognize it. But at the same time I know about the suffering of GCs, which was more and for far longer periods. Therefore the past can not be used as an excuse by you.

So if you want a solution lets agree to something which is FAIR now.

If you want to gain on our expense because you are supposedly the "good" people that need to be rewarded on the expense of the "bad" people, then there will be no solution and you will be deservingly hated.

Of course by your account all injustices were suffered by GC's. You repeated this lie so many times in the end you believed it to be fact. You are such spectacular liars you've even fooled most other nations to believe your lies.

The 1963 attacks was not I guess an injustice to the TC's. Murdering innocent men, women, children was not an injustice. Forcing thousands of people into enclaves was not an injustice. Ransacking their homes forced to abandon by murderous GC's was not an injustice on the TC community.

Anyway Sotos. I said it yesterday I'll say it again now. Whatever your complaints, whatever you feel the injustices you are suffering today are all the end result of your stupidity.