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[Lordo]

let me put my two pennies worth in this. i am afraid i do not buy the idea that mainlanders are in a majority in cyprus and they certainly do not all believe that trnc belongs to terggy. sure there are the elam lookalikes on our side that believe not only trnc belongs to terggy but the whole of cyprus does too.

so in reality trnc is a proper functioning democracy. we have the fascists who are tc as well as terggish settlers who believe trnc belongs to terggy and we have both tcs and setlers who have been in cyprus for 3 generations and are more cypriot than the assholes here who claim to be truly cypriot when they are members of elam. there is a contridiction if ever. population in trnc represent every political colour on earth.

this is clearly obvious for anybody who wants to see it. just have a look at akinci's election with 60% of the vote and still have 60% support now. if the settlers who have been in cyprus for generations are not backing him how the hell could he be elected.

and yet here we are assholing gcs who claim that settlers all speak with one voice and are here to speak for erdogan. i mean netx thing you are going to tell me is that mik is black. of course it will be black if you feed the sheep with coal.

it is time to wake up.

It doesn't matter if the Settlers are already the majority or not. What is certain is that the majority of native people have been ethnically cleansed from the north part of Cyprus and those people have no say in "trnc", nor they want a "trnc", therefore somebody who claims that "trnc is a democracy" is somebody who doesn't know what democracy means. The TCs and Settlers can elect somebody to represent them as a group, but they can not elect somebody to represent "North Cyprus", as that territory doesn't belong to them.

And why wouldn't Settlers vote for Akinci? The Settlers have an additional reason to vote for Akinci, since apart from everything else that the TCs would gain with the "solution" that Akinci wants, the Settlers would also gain EU citizenship. Akinci does not support anything that hurts the interests of Settlers.

I agree with you that not all TCs and not all Settlers are exactly the same. Some might prefer one thing, some might prefer something else. However the vast majority of TCs/Settlers support partition and the only difference is the version of partition that they support. Only a tiny minority of TCs support a true unification of Cyprus, and this tiny minority does not include Akinci.

stop bulshitting boy and say what you mean. what you want is a unitary state. what the hell does true unification mean. half the states in the world are run on some sort of federal structure. there is nothing untrue or false about a federal structure. in the meantime when you are in the loo hold your hands on the side and stop playing with your pleasure toy. it will chinesify your eyes. hasn't your mummy not warned you about the dangers of such activities.

[Sotos]

Nearly all other Federations are countries that came together by uniting separate parts, not by dividing a unitary state by means of ethnic cleansing and land stealing.

Furthermore, in all other Federations the whole country belongs to all citizens. There is no such thing as "Black's State" or "White's State" in the USA, the whole country belongs equally to every citizen. The same is true even in federations which are made up by different ethnic/linguistic groups, such as Belgium or Switzerland. The Turks want "guaranteed majority" by limiting the number of Greek Cypriots with full political rights that can move to the north. And this is an issue in Cyprus and not in any other federation, because only in Cyprus a Federation would be formed by means of ethnic cleansing.

Also, in most federations the power each state has depends on its population. The Turks want to eliminate democracy by inventions such as the "one positive vote".

The result is not a united country, not even a federal country, but essentially partition.

Akinci is a partitionist, just like the 99% of TCs. They think that the north belongs to them, and their "problem" is how to legalize the ethnic cleansing and land stealing through some disguised partition agreement. Such agreement will never happen.

[Lordo]

Nearly all other Federations are countries that came together by uniting separate parts, not by dividing a unitary state by means of ethnic cleansing and land stealing.

Furthermore, in all other Federations the whole country belongs to all citizens. There is no such thing as "Black's State" or "White's State" in the USA, the whole country belongs equally to every citizen. The same is true even in federations which are made up by different ethnic/linguistic groups, such as Belgium or Switzerland. The Turks want "guaranteed majority" by limiting the number of Greek Cypriots with full political rights that can move to the north. And this is an issue in Cyprus and not in any other federation, because only in Cyprus a Federation would be formed by means of ethnic cleansing.

Also, in most federations the power each state has depends on its population. The Turks want to eliminate democracy by inventions such as the "one positive vote".

The result is not a united country, not even a federal country, but essentially partition.

Akinci is a partitionist, just like the 99% of TCs. They think that the north belongs to them, and their "problem" is how to legalize the ethnic cleansing and land stealing through some disguised partition agreement. Such agreement will never happen.

you stupid kant. so as far as you are cncerned, the only ethnic cleansing has taken place in 1974 and it was done by the tcs and having stolen all the gc lands they have the audacity to ask for a federation. you are not just a stupid kant you are a quadouple stupid kant.

so there were no ethnic cleansing of tcs in 1958, 1963 1967 and 1974. there were no lands taken by gcs at these times.

fak off back to the fakin rat hole you just climbed out of tpu idiotic excuse for a human being.

[Sotos]

My IQ is at least 100 times greater that yours.

Ethnic Cleansing and partition is what the TCs wanted from the 1950s:



So no, there was never "ethnic cleansing of tcs". It was a "compromise" for them that ethnic cleansing and partition didn't happen from the 50s, but they never gave up their aim, and their actions ever since were made with the aim of partition.

[cyprusgrump]

My IQ is at least 100 times greater that yours.

Ethnic Cleansing and partition is what the TCs wanted from the 1950s:



So no, there was never "ethnic cleansing of tcs". It was a "compromise" for them that ethnic cleansing and partition didn't happen from the 50s, but they never gave up their aim, and their actions ever since were made with the aim of partition.

Oh do fuck off Sotos...

For some of us on here it is significantly greater than that...

[Cap]

The North belongs to Cypriots.

[repulsewarrior]

...i get your point Sotos, i will go so far to say i agree with you for the most part. People Turkish and Greek see Cyprus in a better position to represent them Individually, as Cypriots. And for Cyprus this is a good thing. Whether there are those in these numbers who have selfish motives, or not, the intention is the same, that the island is as an island a whole, its dwellers, without subjugation, the steward of it. I can live with that, if i can live in the village that is my birthright in Peace; i have not asked for much more than that, although it would be Justice seen, quite clearly if i also knew what happened to the missing in my family, and their murderers.

...i count myself lucky Soto, that i am still alive to never forget my own responsibility toward this Heritance. If Cypriots had the courage to look into themselves they will see the same fear and the same pain; it is this, that we must overcome. And if we look into our hearts, we will find the same Love. Politically, this will must be demonstrated and encouraged, a Cypriot is a Cypriot; if not by the elite, than by the people themselves, exposing those who profit from having divided us.

...indeed, America makes a BBF look good; intentions count.

[MR-from-NG]

The North belongs to Cypriots.

It should but it doesn't right now. TC's are a lifeline for achieving this but you see us as the enemy and you have no problem showing us how much you hate us each time we cross over to the RoC.

I can see a day when vast majority of TC's will say fuck the GC's, they'll never accept us as Cypriots so we might as well become real Turks. Let the north be an annexe of Turkey. This is where we're heading with this problem.

[Maximus]

You are putting the cart before the horse.

Watch that video Sotos posted.

TC are already seen as Turks but it just seems that you pretend to be Cypriots. Because some have a piece of paper.....

Obviously im not talking for everyone. Generally speaking.

You have to do it the other way around to get the result you are talking about.

You have been brainwashed by the mosque and the Turkish education system.

[Sotos]

It should but it doesn't right now. TC's are a lifeline for achieving this but you see us as the enemy and you have no problem showing us how much you hate us each time we cross over to the RoC.

I can see a day when vast majority of TC's will say fuck the GC's, they'll never accept us as Cypriots so we might as well become real Turks. Let the north be an annexe of Turkey. This is where we're heading with this problem.

We are currently on opposite sides at a cease fire of a war, with a 3rd of Cyprus under occupation. What did you expect? For the hostility to end, the cause of the hostility should end first. It can not be any other way.

What you are referring to is a non-issue. The reason TCs do not agree to a solution is not because GCs do not accept them as Cypriots, but because some of their demands, such as 50%-50% power sharing, all Settlers to stay, and Turkish guarantees, are not accepted.