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[Kikapu]

Agree with Robin Hood.

[erolz66]

I think most people, jewish or otherwise, understand this RH. I think Londonrake, despite his protestations here, understands this. My view is if we are serious about tackling and confronting genuine racism and other forms of prejudice, then the starting point has to be to clearly define what is and what is not racist and why. When we use claims of racism, of prejudice, merely as political tools to smear those who's views we oppose we undermine efforts to deal with genuine racism, genuine prejudice. We aid those who are racist , are prejudice when we do this imo.

[Maximus]

I also agree with what RH has said.

That was my point Erolz,

Words like transphobic, Islamaphobic are very often being used to further a political agenda or ideology. RH describes it very well in the case of anti semitism.

They are not being used to describe genuine prejudice. And the word literally doesnt make sense in the context of many debates. It is often just being used to try to shame someone and emotionally blackmail them to further a political agenda that has justifiable resistance or criticism to it.

For example, a transsexual (pre operation male) accusing a beauty therapist as being transphobic because she refuses to touch and wax his penis. Then the transsexual goes on to make her life a misery, trying to sue and smearing the business. This was in a national newspaper.

Women being accused of being transphobic because they disagree with men that dress like women sharing female communal showers with them.

This is not transphobic. There are rational reasons why people will be resistant and oppose things like this.

it has nothing to do with fear.

More like trying to turn the world upside down.

[erolz66]

I also agree with what RH has said.

That was my point Erolz,

Words like transphobic, Islamaphobic are very often being used to further a political agenda or ideology. RH describes it very well in the case of anti semitism.

They are not being used to describe genuine prejudice. And the word literally doesnt make sense in the context of many debates. It is often just being used to try to shame someone and emotionally blackmail them to further a political agenda that has justifiable resistance or criticism to it.

For example, a transsexual (pre operation male) accusing a beauty therapist as being transphobic because she refuses to touch and wax his penis. Then the transsexual goes on to make her life a misery, trying to sue and smearing the business. This was in a national newspaper.

Women being accused of being transphobic because they disagree with men that dress like women sharing female communal showers with them.

This is not transphobic. There are rational reasons why people will be resistant and oppose things like this.

it has nothing to do with fear.

More like trying to turn the world upside down.

imo

phobic is the wrong word to use in relation to something that is not rooted in prejudice, that is not rooted in irrational fear. It is the right word for things that are rooted in irrational fear.

a beauty therapist who by choice does not wax male genitalia who refuses to wax a trans persons genitalia if they are male, is not being transphobic. However such a beauty therapist who refuses to wax a trans persons genitalia that appear female, simply because they know at some prior point in time that person had male genitalia is being transphobic.

So too with the showering example. A more classic variant of this example is as follow (taken from another forum)

Where the problem occurs is when people with an agenda seem to want to push things immediately into an Alice in Wonderland scenario.
EG;
Reg wants to be known as Loretta. Yeah whatever.
Oh you know you agreed that we should build separate changing rooms, that’s not enough, he demands to change in the same changing room as your granddaughter. Now I have a problem with Reg/Loretta.

If reg/loretta appears to the grandaughter in a changing room scenario as not being female, then sure the concern here is valid and not irrational and if reg/loretta complains that people with such concerns are just transphobis, then they are in my opinion just wrong. However if reg/loretta appears in a changing room scenario to the grandaughter as female, then to complain about reg/loretta having the right to change in the female changing room just because they used to be and appear male in the past, that would be in my book clearly transphobic.

[Maximus]

So as long as a male appears to be female, he has a right to go in to womens changing rooms,

And the women cant complain about that....?

Dont you see or realize what is wrong with that.

[Paphitis]

Corbyn pledges to apologize to the Jewish Community for endemic antisemitic.

Is it me or is this Rabbi character is a real asshole? Nothing to do with him being Jewish btw.

Did this asshole raise any complaints when Boris made racist comments about Muslims or is it only off limits if someone makes racist comments about Jews?

So basically, he can support Tories if they insult Muslims but takes offense when insults are pointed towards at his people. Basically this asshole is morally corrupted and Corbyn should tell him to fuck off next time the Rabbi asks for an apology from him what another asshole in the Labour party member may have said against the Jews.

Why would he make any comments over any alleged remarks Boris made about Muslims?

Let the Grand Mufti ark about about the Muslims.

The guy is a Rabbi. he is only concerned about his kind and anti antisemitism in Labour.

That's why it makes him an asshole. He does not stand against racism unless it effects his kind.

There is racism everywhere.

The Muslims should complain whenever they are vilified and perhaps you can ask the Rabbi whether he agrees with that because chances are he might but he isn't going to make a running commentary on all the racist things that occur.

We need to put things into perspective because there are Muslims holding official office within the Knesset.

Plus, I do not see how Boris is racist towards Muslims.

[erolz66]

So as long as a male appears to be female, he has a right to go in to womens changing rooms,

And the women cant complain about that....?

Dont you see or realize what is wrong with that.

No. Care to explain ?

(the women can complain of course but for me that would be a transphobic complaint.)

[Maximus]

So as long as a male appears to be female, he has a right to go in to womens changing rooms,

And the women cant complain about that....?

Dont you see or realize what is wrong with that.

No. Care to explain ?

(the women can complain of course but for me that would be a transphobic complaint.)

So I can appear to be a women and go in to womens changing rooms.

Right?

[Paphitis]

And that is why the likes of Erolz and Labour can never be trusted!

We need to protect our girls from these perverts!

These leftards are not normal Max. They want to abolish private Christian Schools, abolish religions, teach boys to wear skirts, teach girls to grown mustaches, and legalize drugs.

They are good with every debauchery there is, whilst family values are championed by the Tories.

[Paphitis]

Is anyone surprised that Labour = Debauchery?