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[Londonrake]

You condemn yourself with you’re own (Belfast) post. It isn’t funny to me and certainly would be anything but to a member of the UK’s Jewish community. It does give a clear insight into what’s going on in your head though, and why it’s important that people who think like you need to be exposed and kept well away from any sort of political power. “Kill the Jews!” is a timeless cry, although of course it’s never ended up being just the Jews.

Are you a member of what nowadays calls itself the Labour Party by any chance? If so then we can begin to see what “real change” might actually involve.

[Lordo]

You condemn yourself with you’re own (Belfast) post. It isn’t funny to me and certainly would be anything but to a member of the UK’s Jewish community. It does give a clear insight into what’s going on in your head though, and why it’s important that people who think like you need to be exposed and kept well away from any sort of political power. “Kill the Jews!” is a timeless cry, although of course it’s never ended up being just the Jews.

Are you a member of what nowadays calls itself the Labour Party by any chance? If so then we can begin to see what “real change” might actually involve.

a beg to differ, to be stupid enough to believe that there is a problem where there is not is funny. of course you may lack sense of humour, i would consult a medic for your ailment. hence the joke. but while you are at it please tell me in what way do they feel threatend by corbyn being pm. cause no bugger has explained why they should feel threatend. it also works on another level, this old rabbi agrees with israel bombing gaza with planes and tanks and killing children. but as per usual it went over your head right? of course it did. there is the connection with the rabbi, israel bombing and hms belfast. comedy works with connections assuming that you understand tem and that is a big usk right?

did you see the post about mogg and lauder-frost. lauder called mrs lawrence a ni'''@@@@er and venessa feltz a fat jewish s@@g. what the hell were they doing sitting next to each other, were they comparing notes. in anycase where is mogg, i hope he s not removed himself from the activities to produce more moggies. god forbid.

[Robin Hood]

Londonrake:

I don't believe that these accusations have tended to target Corbyn specifically for the sin of antisemitism. It's more the case that under his leadership there's been a significant increase in the phenomena and that he has done little, beyond patronising and non-effective words, to deal with it. The man's dilemma is his most loyal, far-left members nowadays are on the whole a group of very pro-ME, rabidly anti-Israel/banker types (well, a bit like you! )

If you understood the Banking and financial system and who those at the top of the pyramid are ...... I don’t see that saying something that is basically true can be anti-Semitic? It is not the Jewish bit that is significant, it is the Zionist bit .... as I have pointed out to you before there is a difference. Judaism = Religion ...... Zionism = Political. The latter has always hidden behind the former to capitalise on past anti-Semitism to gain sympathy to cover their political and ideological aims.

So sorry, I don’t think these antisemitic accusations are anything other than a political convenience. As I said ..... I have seen no anti-Semitic insults expressed by Labour or their party leader. The accusations are based almost 100% on Zionists/Israeli criticism and references being classified as anti-Semitic and I don’t think they are.

It doesn't sound like you watched the disastrous Neill/Corbyn interview. The reason it appears the man is pulling out of 7 further such planned events. The first 10 minutes or so concentrated upon the subject of antisemitism in the Labour party.

I didn’t watch it all ..... but come on, Corbyn is not smart talking enough to tackle Andrew Neill, the man is a professional Rottweiler! You forget that BJ is avoiding ALL such interviews! I think Neill is an offensive interviewer who pushes an agenda and inevitably uses loaded or deliberately leading questions to get the scenario he wants to achieve. That’s his job .... it’s how he makes his money!

Neill challenged Corbyn 3 times to answer whether “Rothschild’s Zionists run Israel and world governments” was an antisemitic statement. Only upon his third, persistent, attempt did he get the answer that it indeed was. Neil pointed out that they were the words of a Labour member and former council candidate and that despite being investigated for a whole year, the man hadn’t been suspended from the party for it. Corbyn had previously said that anyone who’d been antisemitic had been suspended or expelled from the party.

Why is THAT an anti-Semitic statement ........ it’s true? Zionists DO run the Banking System and the Knesset, and Rothschilds are Jewish Zionists! Read the Balfour Declaration! It is addressed to ...... Baron Rothschild. Once again I do not see that as anti-Semitic!

Neill then pointed out a Labour woman who had posted a video how the holocaust was a myth. After an investigation her punishment was a written warning.

You have to be careful when talking about an accusation of the ‘Holocaust as a Myth’ and taking it seriously! Just like with the association of Jews with Zionism. It is a play on words, some thing you excel at, and any questioning of events during the Holocaust is treated as 'A denial ... a myth'! The Holocaust has become an exclusive ‘Jewish’ Holocaust and exploited by the Zionists ....... but Jews were not the only people that were affected by it! My Polish wife lost her Aunt, Uncle and their three children in Auswitch for protecting Jews! In reality, there are as many actual Holocaust deniers as there are members of the Flat Earth Society!

Earlier that day Corbyn had attended a Labour event on “race and faith”, where he’d said antisemitism was vile and unacceptable. And yet, two of the prospective Labour candidates sitting alongside him had themselves been accused of it.

So what did these ‘anti-Semitic’ Labour candidates say that was actually anti-Semitic? There is very often a wide distance between accusation and the facts. Trace Corbyn's history on anti-Semitism over the years and what he said was what he is and what he stands for.

Neill asked Corbyn, as leader of the Labour party, whether he wished to take the opportunity to apologise to the Jewish community for such things. He did neither but launched into a banal, set-piece speech upon which Neill abandoned the subject all together.

My response would have been ....”Apologise? For what? How about a bit of detail to support your insinuation there is something to apologise for?” If you can’t see how all this ‘anti-Semitism’ is taking a certain direction, then that is your choice but it does not make your opinion any more valid than mine or anyone elses!

Quite a few long standing members of the Labour party, including some of its MPs have left because of their unhappiness with the subject. Such things can be dismissed by confining the discussion to Israel and the evil Jewish bankers/media oligarchs but to suggest that there is no such problem is risible.

The sarcasm sneaks in! Evil Bankers ..... who just happen to be Jewish? But some are Christian or even evil Atheists Bankers! You obviously think they are all nice people ..... but you have only met the hired help! I suggest you don’t know enough about the financial system and Banking to have a credible opinion as to whose-who nor how it works.

I think the most pro-Corbyn poster on this forum is Lordo. His rote-learned outpourings would make Momentum proud. If you want to get a glimpse of the mind set I recommend you read his post 3 above this. That pretty much says it all. That's the sort of thing you are apparently in denial about.

I think LORDO’s rather quite demented approach represents a very small minority when it comes to rhetoric ........... but give people like him the reason to believe in fantasies and that is when ordinary people do turn down the wrong path! That is just what these generally hyped, distorted and manipulative anti-Semite accusations and most often unsubstanciated stories are breeding ..... it has happened before and then the problem was Zionism working behind the scenes not the Jews in general but they got all the resentment and the reprisals.

[Londonrake]

a beg to differ, to be stupid enough to believe that there is a problem where there is not is funny. of course you may lack sense of humour, i would consult a medic for your ailment. hence the joke. but while you are at it please tell me in what way do they feel threatend by corbyn being pm. cause no bugger has explained why they should feel threatend. it also works on another level, this old rabbi agrees with israel bombing gaza with planes and tanks and killing children. but as per usual it went over your head right? of course it did. there is the connection with the rabbi, israel bombing and hms belfast. comedy works with connections assuming that you understand tem and that is a big usk right?

did you see the post about mogg and lauder-frost. lauder called mrs lawrence a ni'''@@@@er and venessa feltz a fat jewish s@@g. what the hell were they doing sitting next to each other, were they comparing notes. in anycase where is mogg, i hope he s not removed himself from the activities to produce more moggies. god forbid.

Nothing said to you on just about any matter alters your views. Your myopic opinions run on rails (narrow gauge). On most posts you try to cover that with a blitz of juvenile insults.

The subject of the rise in antisemitism within the Labour party surfaced shortly after Corbyn became leader and has persisted for 4 years now. Principally, for the reason I mentioned earlier. Brexit, antiseminism, the man's an ineffectual leader, who bends with every breeze around him but now that we're into an election campaign the chickens are coming home to roost.

Corbyn's interview with Neill was a disaster. He simply didn't have the answers and came across as a man who covers by puffing and blowing indignantly. It was pathetic to the point of painful. He's now pulled out of 7 further interviews and leaders' question sessions in order to try and limit any further fallout from the subject. Much like when Abbott was pulled - due to "sickness" - after her disastrous faux pas's in 2017. The £300 policemen.

The only other political organisation to come under a similar examination by the EHRC has been the BNP:

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/ ... bour-party

The Observer/Guardian. Not exactly noted for its anti-Corbyn view.

A Panorama investigation recently revealed that over 1000 cases of antisemitism in the Labour party have yet to be investigated. So far only 15 people have been expelled. Labour party members and officials, some of whom have been party members for many years, have testified about the interference in those investigations by central office. Labelled by Corbyn as "disaffected officials with a political axe to grind":

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... emy-corbyn

7 Labour MPs have resigned in part as a protest over the way Corbyn has handled antisemitism in the party. Some of them have been bombarded with threats (you know - a bit like your HMS Belfast stuff). Among them Jewish MP Lousie Ellman - 73 and a member of the Labour party for 55 years. She quit.

3 Labour peers have quit the House of Lords citing the party's institutional antisemitism.

But, according to you, it's just about Corbyn's attitude to Israel and the Palestinians. "Nothing to see here. Move on". Then you laughingly accuse others of being stupid and ostrich-like

[Robin Hood]

Just to make the point better than I can ..... I think this sums it up:

The Antisemitic Card - By Finian Cunningham

November 27, 2019 "Information Clearing House" - It is a ludicrous situation when anyone criticizing Israeli state violations against Palestinians or neighboring countries is then instantly discredited as being “antisemitic”.

We see this in Britain and the United States all the time. Congresswomen like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib have been denounced for being “anti-Jewish”, including by President Trump, simply because they protested Israeli policy of occupying Palestinian lands or for having a malign influence on US foreign policy.

In Britain, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and his party have once again this week been vilified as “antisemitic” in prominent news media.

The reality is that Corbyn is neither racist or anti-Jewish. The specious allegation stems from him and sections of Labour being vehemently critical of Israel and its conduct towards Palestinians.

Full article:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52631.htm

[erolz66]

Londonrake have you personally ever called out blatant overt racism, of any kind, here on this forum ?

Have you ever altered your views on something as a result of something posted here ?

Do you recall in another post saying to me "But perhaps time for a bit of honesty". Indeed.

[erolz66]

The subject of the rise in antisemitism within the Labour party surfaced shortly after Corbyn became leader and has persisted for 4 years now.

And if you had a political objective to label anyone who is too supportive of the Palestinian cause antisemitic, when do you think such attacks would be likely to start against the Labour party ? Before it had a leader expressing such sympathies ?

[erolz66]

.....who bends with every breeze around him

Londonrake would you say, based on their own records, comparing just Corbyn and Johnson, which has shown more tendency to "bend[s] with every breeze around him" ?

Will you answer that question honestly ? Can you ?

[Lordo]

a beg to differ, to be stupid enough to believe that there is a problem where there is not is funny. of course you may lack sense of humour, i would consult a medic for your ailment. hence the joke. but while you are at it please tell me in what way do they feel threatend by corbyn being pm. cause no bugger has explained why they should feel threatend. it also works on another level, this old rabbi agrees with israel bombing gaza with planes and tanks and killing children. but as per usual it went over your head right? of course it did. there is the connection with the rabbi, israel bombing and hms belfast. comedy works with connections assuming that you understand tem and that is a big usk right?

did you see the post about mogg and lauder-frost. lauder called mrs lawrence a ni'''@@@@er and venessa feltz a fat jewish s@@g. what the hell were they doing sitting next to each other, were they comparing notes. in anycase where is mogg, i hope he s not removed himself from the activities to produce more moggies. god forbid.

Nothing said to you on just about any matter alters your views. Your myopic opinions run on rails (narrow gauge). On most posts you try to cover that with a blitz of juvenile insults.

The subject of the rise in antisemitism within the Labour party surfaced shortly after Corbyn became leader and has persisted for 4 years now. Principally, for the reason I mentioned earlier. Brexit, antiseminism, the man's an ineffectual leader, who bends with every breeze around him but now that we're into an election campaign the chickens are coming home to roost.

Corbyn's interview with Neill was a disaster. He simply didn't have the answers and came across as a man who covers by puffing and blowing indignantly. It was pathetic to the point of painful. He's now pulled out of 7 further interviews and leaders' question sessions in order to try and limit any further fallout from the subject. Much like when Abbott was pulled - due to "sickness" - after her disastrous faux pas's in 2017. The £300 policemen.

The only other political organisation to come under a similar examination by the EHRC has been the BNP:

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/ ... bour-party

The Observer/Guardian. Not exactly noted for its anti-Corbyn view.

A Panorama investigation recently revealed that over 1000 cases of antisemitism in the Labour party have yet to be investigated. So far only 15 people have been expelled. Labour party members and officials, some of whom have been party members for many years, have testified about the interference in those investigations by central office. Labelled by Corbyn as "disaffected officials with a political axe to grind":

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... emy-corbyn

7 Labour MPs have resigned in part as a protest over the way Corbyn has handled antisemitism in the party. Some of them have been bombarded with threats (you know - a bit like your HMS Belfast stuff). Among them Jewish MP Lousie Ellman - 73 and a member of the Labour party for 55 years. She quit.

3 Labour peers have quit the House of Lords citing the party's institutional antisemitism.

But, according to you, it's just about Corbyn's attitude to Israel and the Palestinians. "Nothing to see here. Move on". Then you laughingly accuse others of being stupid and ostrich-like

ok lets say there is a tousand cases not tackled and 600 that are. that makes 1600 with 500,000 members? oh no that has pushed the figure to 0.003%, oh shit that means there is enpugh bullshit to grown some mushrooms.

which bit do you not understand, there is 8% of racism gebnerelly everywhere and nobody cares and all of a sudden there is 0.003% in labour and labout is institutionally racist.

what you need is to take your nose out of the elits' arse and see why they hate corbyn so much that they would employ all their power to discredit labour and corbyn and would use jewish leadership as a spearhead and the jewish leadership obliged.

i can tell you one thing though if the jewish leadership manage to swing the vote and win the election for the tories, there will be 12,000,000 labour members that will blame them for the mess. and of course they will be accused of being antisemitic, like hell they are. religous people should not intervene in any politics. i suspect you are very pleased with the iranians.


now that will be a problem.

listen to the morning by finklestin right to the end.

[erolz66]

which bit do you not understand, there is 8% of racism gebnerelly everywhere and nobody cares and all of a sudden there is 0.003% in labour and labout is institutionally racist.

You could almost imagine that Londonrake has little or no real interest in racism or antisemitism specifically but is just making a meal over this whole thing for some other unstated covert reason, what ever that might be. (see what I did there with the smileys ?)