Robin Hood wrote:Paphitis:
You on the other hand was questioning the efficacy of the accusations that the Tories intend to privatize the NHS to American Interests. I mean do you understand how absurd that is? Why would the Americans, in fact, why would anyone be interested in owning the NHS which isn't a money making venture?
You are the sort of not to bright a person that such a suggestion that they want to ‘own it’, is aimed at! They don’t want to
BUY the
NHS they want to destroy it because it is
NOT a money making scheme and replace it with one that is, like the Medicare type system they have in the US!
Think Bombardier vs Boeing! Boeing claim unfair government subsidies given to Bombardier ..... so the US put a 300% tariff on Bombardier. Eventually broke the company up because Bombardier were doing stuff for Airbus! Of course, the US completely ignoring that Boeing gets billions in subsidies from the US government, for its military division! Directly/IF this agreement is implemented the cost of drugs and equipment, will get questioned on exactly the same ‘unfair competition’ basis and the cost of everything in the NHS will rocket!
The US only likes level playing fields when it is ‘levelled’ in their favour.
As for Corbyn vs Jonson? I watched a brief bit of their interview on BBC and of the two, leaving out the politics, Corbyn was far better at putting forward his argument than Jonson. The similarity between Jonson and Trump is quite remarkable! They are both blond, both have difficulty speaking intelligently, both are frequent and habitual liars, both cheat on their wives ..... and Trump admits he cheats with his taxes and also when playing golf. No doubt both are cheating in politics as well.
You are probably right .... Jonson will most likely win but I don’t think it will be a landslide victory. That is ....... unless the people wake up and see Jonson for the upper class idiot and liar that he is. Labour have just got hold of official treasury(?) documents showing everything he said about NI trade with the UK was a lie! Guess what ........ then the Tories blame the Russians for the leak! I wonder are the British people really that dumb to fall for all this Tory/The Elite/Zionist propaganda, or will we see something surprising come out of this election?
Really? So let's get this straight. They want to dismantle the NHS and replace it. Replace it with what exactly?
Why do you actually think Boris has a death wish? He would be gone if he did such a thing and why didn't the Tories do it in the last 10 years? Because they have no policy whatsoever to dismantle the NHS. It's all lies and scaremongering just like the scare mongering that the UK will run out of Pharmaceuticals post BREXIT. And yet, all steps to provide security over the supply of medicines is met with more scare mongering. What is wrong with trying to also source drugs from US companies? Add a tariff if you want. No one cares. If patients need that particular drug, they will pay. If the US has tariffs on UK Pharmaceuticals then apply the same tariff on US medicines. But I think you will find that the agreement is for 2 way tariff free trade. US policy is to only apply tariffs if tariffs are applied on their products.
BORIS is actually a very Liberal Leader. Quite middle of the road and pro NHS. In fact, he is more close to traditional Labour as the real Labour has gone far left and gone all wacky on us.
the fact is, the US and UK will have a free trade deal. It's good to have these kinds of friends. The US has made it very clear, that after BREXIT they are ready to have a FTD with the UK. Same with Australia. So whatever downturn there is after BREXIT will be somewhat alleviated by that to avoid the calamity the scaremongers are saying will occur.
We have Medicare in Australia. That too is not a money making venture but we have what is called Private Health Insurers in Australia which is what Medicare USA is.
That too is a very tough industry to make money in. In fact, most of the insurers are non for profit just like the one I belong to called Defence Health which I am lucky to belong to and lucky to have my family insured under.
There is also a police insurer, one for teachers, one for pilots and on it goes. These insurers are industry insurers and do not turn a profit. All funds that are paid in, are returned to the insured. In fact the insured actually own the fund. Policy holders and share holders in the entity.
So pull the other one sunshine. The Americans know business and the last thing they want is to have anything to do with the NHS. Dream on. The whole notion is ludicrous.
In addition, what are you imbeciles in the UK? Are you a third world country? Does everyone rely on the Government over there? Don't you have private health providers in the UK aside from the NHS?
I bet the NHS doesn't provide all the health care you need and if it does I bet the waiting times are horrendous, hence private health funds.
You can keep the NHS. The US doesn't give a flying rats arse.
The Boris Government just wants to open the NHS to US Pharmaceutical Companies and it is fair enough too.
Also, the US is looking at trying to establish its own Government Health System similar to the NHS. We have been getting US Pharmaceuticals for decades now, everything under the sun, as well from other countries and the US has never tried to take over our Medicare and have never shown any interest other than study it so they can implement something similar in the USA. Quite often the USA has looked at the Australian Medicare system as an example of a system they may wish to implement down the track.
Pull the other one.
So you don't think it will be a landslide. Well we will see about that. Do you think BORIS will have a majority? That is all he needs. Personally, I think he is looking at a 50 seat majority as a minimum. Corbyn has about as much charisma as my little toe.
And cut the crap about the Zionist propaganda. The Zionists are or were very much entrenched in Labour as well through the Jewish Labour Movement. There are 2500 Jewish members in the labour party. that's a lot. But I doubt they are happy after seeing all the allegations and ill treatment they have received.
What choice do they have? The Labour party is no longer a moderate sensible party for the worker. those days are gone and this is why they are imploding. Got nothing to do with Zionism. The Labour Party has only itself to blame and they also colluded with foreign EU powers to and that is a disgrace.
As for the Tories...they don't need to engage in any stupidities or blame anyone for anything about any alleged leaks or fabrications or mud slinging. It's in the bag. Cruise Control remember.
All they need to do is walk across the finish line.
The Russians can go fuck themselves! Literally! Tories don't care and will not stoop or take any risks at this point in time. If they interfere in US or UK elections we can interfere and cause more damage to them. Pootin has many enemies within and its easy for our Security Agencies to pay people off and organize students and unions into mass demonstrations and destabilize and burn Moscow to the ground like what is happening in Hong Kong. I mean how much would it cost? A couple of Billion? Poke the bear....
I mean we could go back to the 1950s where our security agencies pay off a few generals, or uni dissidents to cause as much mayhem as possibe or even sponsor a coup.
Russians got to understands that if they mess with us, then we can mess with them much more easier.
Everyone is accusing the Americans of the Hong Kong protests anyway.
