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Re: tory manifesto

Postby erolz66 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:37 am

Londonrake wrote:And, as far as wasting life’s concerned, you seem to spend many hours, virtually every day, hovering over your keyboard to be by far the most frequent poster hereabouts. Others can judge who’s wasting it the most. :wink:


Lordo - 4.68 posts per day

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A case of seeing what you want to see, regardless of actual data ?
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby erolz66 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:45 am

to get back on topic

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Re: tory manifesto

Postby Londonrake » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:52 am

erolz66 wrote:
Londonrake wrote:And, as far as wasting life’s concerned, you seem to spend many hours, virtually every day, hovering over your keyboard to be by far the most frequent poster hereabouts. Others can judge who’s wasting it the most. :wink:


Lordo - 4.68 posts per day

Paphitis - 5.12 posts per day

A case of seeing what you want to see, regardless of actual data ?


You seem to have a cognisance/myopia problem - to add to the list. Lordo accuses me of wasting my life. In contrast, I point out his obsessive daily devotion to posting for hours in here and ask who actually wastes it the most? Another hypocrite. Excuse me, whilst I borrow one of his expressions. That has faik awl to do with Paphitis, or anybody else for the matter.
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:00 am

erolz66 wrote:to get back on topic




‘Toxic’ Culture Resulted in Deaths of 42 Babies at NHS Hospitals: Report

A leaked interim report has blamed a “toxic” culture at English hospitals that resulted in the deaths of 42 babies and three mothers and dozens of severe injuries in what is believed to be the worst maternity scandal in the history of the National Health Service.
The document, initially seen by The Independent, singles out the deaths and serious injuries of dozens of babies as evidence of 40 years of maternity care at Shrewsbury and Telford Hospital NHS Trust “that is toxic to improvement effort”.

The interim report highlighted that of the avoidable deaths of 42 babies, 22 were stillborn, three died during pregnancy, and there were 17 infant deaths at the trust. Three mothers also died. Of the avoidable injuries, there were 51 cases of brain damage or cerebral palsy, and 47 instances of substandard care.


How wonderful the NHS is eh...? :evil:
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby erolz66 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:01 am

Londonrake wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
Londonrake wrote:And, as far as wasting life’s concerned, you seem to spend many hours, virtually every day, hovering over your keyboard to be by far the most frequent poster hereabouts. Others can judge who’s wasting it the most. :wink:


Lordo - 4.68 posts per day

Paphitis - 5.12 posts per day

A case of seeing what you want to see, regardless of actual data ?


You seem to have a cognisance/myopia problem - to add to the list. Lordo accuses me of wasting my life. In contrast, I point out his obsessive daily devotion to posting for hours in here and ask who actually wastes it the most? Another hypocrite. Excuse me, whilst I borrow one of his expressions. That has faik awl to do with Paphitis, or anybody else for the matter.


So when you say lordo is "by far the most frequent poster hereabouts" , then pointing out that is factually not true unless you consider Paphitis is not 'hereabouts', is myopic ? Look you use this accusation all the time. You have used it against myself in the past, in direct comparison to just you and me and the data contradicted your claim then as well. My perception of your posting style is you 'play the man not the ball' to a degree that is remarkable compared to any average of other posters.
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby erolz66 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:03 am

cyprusgrump wrote:How wonderful the NHS is eh...? :evil:


If you do not believe in the NHS, if you want to see it privatised, then sure vote conservative. However that is not the Tories openly stated policy on the NHS. The video is aimed at those who DO believe in the NHS, not those like you who do not.
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Re: tory manifes

Postby Londonrake » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:18 am

erolz66 wrote:So when you say lordo is "by far the most frequent poster hereabouts" , then pointing out that is factually not true unless you consider Paphitis is not 'hereabouts', is myopic ? Look you use this accusation all the time. You have used it against myself in the past, in direct comparison to just you and me and the data contradicted your claim then as well. My perception of your posting style is you 'play the man not the ball' to a degree that is remarkable compared to any average of other posters.


Again, you conflate a discussion with clearly limited criteria to a much wider field in order to try and justify your misconception.

The issue was one of Lordo accusing me of wasting my life and my comparison with his forum activities. Clearly, I was referring to which of the 2 of us was “by far the most frequent poster hereabouts: to underline that. You’re being pedantic and what you followed with was a tad paranoid.

Again, wrt Lordo. When you talk of playing the man and not the ball (ad hominem) I have to respond with - are you “faikin” joking. :roll: It’s a lesson quickly learned on this forum. In my case with GR virtually from post 1 onwards.
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby Londonrake » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:26 am

erolz66 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:How wonderful the NHS is eh...? :evil:


If you do not believe in the NHS, if you want to see it privatised, then sure vote conservative. However that is not the Tories openly stated policy on the NHS. The video is aimed at those who DO believe in the NHS, not those like you who do not.



As I said some time ago in another post, you can guarantee in every election that Labour will accuse the Conservatives of planning to privatise/destroy the NHS. Like Christmas it’s a perennial ritual.

My own experiences in the past and those of close family more recently have put the NHS, with its £130,000,000,000 annual budget, in a very poor light. It’s a national holy cow though of course and whatever money’s thrown at it will never be adequate.
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Re: tory manifes

Postby erolz66 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:31 am

Londonrake wrote:
erolz66 wrote:So when you say lordo is "by far the most frequent poster hereabouts" , then pointing out that is factually not true unless you consider Paphitis is not 'hereabouts', is myopic ? Look you use this accusation all the time. You have used it against myself in the past, in direct comparison to just you and me and the data contradicted your claim then as well. My perception of your posting style is you 'play the man not the ball' to a degree that is remarkable compared to any average of other posters.


Again, you conflate a discussion with clearly limited criteria to a much wider field in order to try and justify your misconception.

The issue was one of Lordo accusing me of wasting my life and my comparison with his forum activities. Clearly, I was referring to which of the 2 of us was “by far the most frequent poster hereabouts: to underline that. Your being pedantic and what you followed with was a tad paranoid.


If you are saying to me this is a misunderstanding and that you meant that you post left frequently than just Lordo specifically then I accept that at face value and welcome such clarification. Nor am I particularly interested in who's fault that misunderstanding is. I simply welcome the clarification. You think what you said was clear. It was not clear to me.

Londonrake wrote:Again, wrt Lordo. When you talk of playing the man and not the ball (ad hominem) I have to respond with - are you “faikin” joking. :roll: It’s a lesson quickly learned on this forum. In my case with GR virtually from post 1 onwards.


Everyone uses 'ad hominem' replies to some degree or other. My perception of you and your posts, without going back and checking the 'data' to confirm or not my perception, is that the degree to which you do it here puts you in the top 5 or 10% percentile. My perceptions is that a post from you that does NOT involve playing the man rather than the ball is a rare thing. When I have time and if I have inclination I will go and check that perception against the data and make some kind of analysis, as is my way.
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Re: tory manifesto

Postby Kikapu » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:32 am

Londonrake wrote:Nobody I know is at all confused about Jeremy Corbyn. And, unlike yourself, most are either just ordinary working class people or are retired as such, with associated temperate political views.

The people who’ve known Corbyn best, over many years of working alongside him, are Labour MPs. They voted 197 - 40 to get rid of him as their leader. These people haven’t changed their views but are now on doorsteps pleading for Corbyn votes. Gutless hypocrites, the lot of them.

Meanwhile, Momentum people like yourself have re-written Corbyn’s past and convinced yourself of it’s veracity with what’s known as doublethink. You would have made George Orwell, with his formidable prescience, very proud.


Just an observation.

Taking the debate the other night at face value on what Corbyn and Johnson stated, why wouldn’t anyone vote for their party?

It really comes down to trust as to who is going to do what they said they would do, does it not?

The giveaway lies with Johnson during the debate was the repeated statements on what a wonderful deal he has struck with the EU, basically ignoring the fact that for the time being he has given Northern Ireland to be under the control of the EU, but of course, I do not believe Johnson will allow that to remain if he gets a majority after the election as he will go for a no deal withdrawal from the EU. This is not counting all the lies and games Johnson has make in the last 4 months or so. He is another Trump like charlatan with everything he says and does.
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