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[Lordo]

There is no direct correlation with how 'hard' someone works and how much they earn. So let's stop that myth shall we ?

Well that is peak bollox right there...

works hard, makes a phone call and sells 10 million shares and makes 10k in 2 minutes. i mean how hard can it be. try collecting sulphur rocks from the edge of a fakin volcano and carry it for 10 miles and ears 3 quid a day.

work hard indeed. they don't know they are fakin born the assholes.

[erolz66]

There is no direct correlation with how 'hard' someone works and how much they earn. So let's stop that myth shall we ?

Well that is peak bollox right there...

Of course it is because everyone knows an MP earning 80,000 a year works four times harder that say a nurse working in an underfunded A and E uint. That's why the Mp's get 4 times more salary. Everyone knows that Wayne Rooney works 650 times harder than the bin men that empty the bins on his multiple houses.

I think you need to replace ' work harder' with 'being more successful'

B25 nails it!

He does indeed 'nail it' and that is the whole point. How hard you work or not is entirely down to individual choice. How successful you are, even measured just in terms of money earned is not. It is down too a multitude of other factors and massive dollops of luck. Wayne Rooney was lucky to be born with a particular talent that allowed him to earn massive amounts of money. A kid without such talent , no matter how hard they worked could not do that. Mogg, Johnson et all do not earn vastly more than the vast majority of people in the UK because they worked vastly harder than those others. They earn more because they were lucky to have been born in to the circumstances they were.

Yet you CG want to equate success in earning terms to hard work. You need to do this. Because by doing so then you can tell yourself in your head that those who earn less than you do so because they are lazier than you, do not work as hard as you. You know it is bollocks but you need to believe it so you can sleep at night in your 2 or 5 or however many houses, whilst there are 10,000s sleeping on the streets and living in abject poverty. You need to tell yourselves these lies, that they have so much less than you because they are lazy and you have so much more than them because you 'worked hard'. You need to be able to tell yourselves that those living in poverty around you do so by their choice to not work hard. Otherwise you might have to start looking at the real causes of their poverty and your own relative wealth.

On top of that there is the idea of 'success' equating to 'how much you earn' is a false singular correlation. Some of the hardest work I have ever done in my life I did for no earnings at all, zero, zilch. Yet we , the group I was a founder of was successful. We set an objective as 6 individuals who meet up in a pub and decided they would take on BT and the regulator and the government and force them to change things. The notion was laughable. Yet 3.5 years later , after 3.5 years of constant hard dedicated work - for no pay at all, we had the government on side , the regulator pressured to force BT to make the change we set out as our objective and had achieved our aims. Success beyond our wildest dreams.

[erolz66]

Speaking of Mogg - where is he ? He has been like the invisible man since sharing his wisdom about what he would have done had he been in the Grenfell tower on that fateful night so many died.

[cyprusgrump]

Yet you CG want to equate success in earning terms to hard work. You need to do this.

Your problem, and the rest of your Socialist tribe is that you believe 'rich' people inherit their wealth and spend their lives sitting at home, drinking champagne and lighting their cigars with £50 notes while their staff graft away on minimum wage... the 'rich' to you and Bore-Dough are the bloke on the front of the Monopoly Box...

Whereas in reality the 'rich' and multiple property owners like myself got where they are by working 24/7, starting businesses, employing people, paying vast amounts of tax or as in the case of premier league footballers practising their craft every day go improve their skills... Roony wasn't born with his skills, he clearly focused on what he wanted to do and worked hard to achieve his goal*...















* See what I did there...?

[Kikapu]

Yet you CG want to equate success in earning terms to hard work. You need to do this.

Your problem, and the rest of your Socialist tribe is that you believe 'rich' people inherit their wealth and spend their lives sitting at home, drinking champagne and lighting their cigars with £50 notes while their staff graft away on minimum wage... the 'rich' to you and Bore-Dough are the bloke on the front of the Monopoly Box...

Whereas in reality the 'rich' and multiple property owners like myself got where they are by working 24/7, starting businesses, employing people, paying vast amounts of tax or as in the case of premier league footballers practising their craft every day go improve their skills... Roony wasn't born with his skills, he clearly focused on what he wanted to do and worked hard to achieve his goal*...















* See what I did there...?

You make it sound as if only those who support Tories are successful in life and the remaining “socialist tribe” are the losers.

[erolz66]

Your problem, and the rest of your Socialist tribe is that you believe 'rich' people inherit their wealth and spend their lives sitting at home, drinking champagne and lighting their cigars with £50 notes while their staff graft away on minimum wage... the 'rich' to you and Bore-Dough are the bloke on the front of the Monopoly Box...

Johnson. Mogg. They did not inherit their wealth ?

I know the full spectrum of the wealthy. I know the new money wealthy who have managed, against the odds, to pull them selves up by the bootstraps, to create wealth not just for themselves but for others as well. People like my father, who having achieved all that, did not just 'piss off' the minute the country that had given him the opportunity to be able to do that all, democratically elected a government that taxed the highest proportion of his personal income at 83 %. As I also know the idle rich, the contemptuous rich, the entitled rich who are rich not because of any effort or hard work on their part as well. It is exactly because I know and acknowledge and recognise the full spectrum, unlike yourself, that I know the fantasy you tell your self, that the rich, all of them, are rich merely by dint of their own hard work and effort and the poor, all of them, by their lack of it, is just that, a fantasy you tell yourself, that you need to tell yourself.

This whole 'tribe' thing is YOUR neurosis , not mine. You are the one incapable of seeing the world in anything other than such tribal terms. That something, anything, has to be all one thing or none of it and no other states can exist. You are the one who NEEDS to place me in a binary black and white box of 'socialist' or whatever other 'tribes' you need to create and see in your own head, whilst ignoring everything in-between and in doing so denying me and everyone else their actual identity, merely in order to be able to deal with a universe that is infinite along all scales and within all scales. Just because you are so afflicted, that does not mean everyone else is also so cognitively crippled.

[cyprusgrump]

Your problem, and the rest of your Socialist tribe is that you believe 'rich' people inherit their wealth and spend their lives sitting at home, drinking champagne and lighting their cigars with £50 notes while their staff graft away on minimum wage... the 'rich' to you and Bore-Dough are the bloke on the front of the Monopoly Box...

Johnson. Mogg. They did not inherit their wealth ?

I know the full spectrum of the wealthy. I know the new money wealthy who have managed, against the odds, to pull them selves up by the bootstraps, to create wealth not just for themselves but for others as well. People like my father, who having achieved all that, did not just 'piss off' the minute the country that had given him the opportunity to be able to do that all, democratically elected a government that taxed the highest proportion of his personal income at 83 %. As I also know the idle rich, the contemptuous rich, the entitled rich who are rich not because of any effort or hard work on their part as well. It is exactly because I know and acknowledge and recognise the full spectrum, unlike yourself, that I know the fantasy you tell your self, that the rich, all of them, are rich merely by dint of their own hard work and effort and the poor, all of them, by their lack of it, is just that, a fantasy you tell yourself, that you need to tell yourself.

This whole 'tribe' thing is YOUR neurosis , not mine. You are the one incapable of seeing the world in anything other than such tribal terms. That something, anything, has to be all one thing or none of it and no other states can exist. You are the one who NEEDS to place me in a binary black and white box of 'socialist' or whatever other 'tribes' you need to create and see in your own head, whilst ignoring everything in-between and in doing so denying me and everyone else their actual identity, merely in order to be able to deal with a universe that is infinite along all scales and within all scales. Just because you are so afflicted, that does not mean everyone else is also so cognitively crippled.

You are mental erolz...

And I am the proof that everything you believe to be true is wrong...

[Lordo]

something has gone wrong today. special question time for the leaders have destroyed b'stard. the tories are in deep shit. they will regret selection this asshole for a leader. i said it right from the start. i prefered b'stard to be the tory leader because he is the most incompetent fool. even with the support of al the elite in the country and the corporations and the right wing media. he is fakkkkkkked and so is the tory party.

[cyprusgrump]

something has gone wrong today. special question time for the leaders have destroyed b'stard. the tories are in deep shit. they will regret selection this asshole for a leader. i said it right from the start. i prefered b'stard to be the tory leader because he is the most incompetent fool. even with the support of al the elite in the country and the corporations and the right wing media. he is fakkkkkkked and so is the tory party.

And you are as mental as erolz... I often wonder if you are one and the same...?

[erolz66]

And I am the proof that everything you believe to be true is wrong

In your head you are your own proof for everything you chose to believe, which is your failure. The universe however does not exist only in your head alone. It is actually quite a bit bigger than that and a lot more complex and wondrous to boot.