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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:10 pm

Sotos wrote:Mustafa, read the part of article I posted above. Turkey had the right to intervene to restore constitution. Not to occupy Cyprus and kick me out of my home! Piratis is not very friendly sometimes but he always says in his posts that he wants human rights and democracy for all Cypriots. I never seen his post that called TCs sub human. If he did he is wrong! No excuse! But judging from what you say on other things it might be that you just put words in his mouth to make him look bad.


Turkey arrived to protect the TCs and solve our problems, have they been solved? it takes 2 to tango and neither side wants to dance.
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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:16 pm

The Turkish army will not leave until we agree a comprehensive solution, they act as a deterent so that GCs do not do anything stupid like start to attack TCs or a war. Can you imagine it if their was no Turkish army GC would have free range to do what they want the balance of power would be just as Piratis wants it. If you really want a solution you have to negotiate their removal.


Exactly, imagine if they left and we had gangs of Pirastis types start terrorising us again, no thanks :roll:


Growuptcs and Sotos, your claiming I am an "extremist" :lol: , its people like YOU who are in the way of any negotiations between Tc's and Gc's. You see when you tell of the stories of Greek Cypriot suffering that is fine but when I tell our side of events oooh NOT ALLOWED, I'm an extremist.

An extremist, is incable or accepting others, hearing their views, debating, accepting others as their equals.

You should take a look in the mirror before throwing labels such as Extremist, Human Rights and Democracy supporters, these are WORDS, your missing the meanings behind the words.

For negotiations there must be COMPRIMISE, do you understand this, it must be for CYPRUS not for GREEKS not for TURKS but for CYPRUS, so we cannot have people saying MY LAND, MY COUNTRY, its MINE MINE MINE, because it defeats the purpose of Negotiations BEFORE THEY HAVE EVEN BEGAN.

Wether we like it or not, Turks and Greeks will have to make a sacrifice if they are to Negotiate, Turks can't have it all their way, Greeks can't have it all their way, somewhere among the two is a balance in the middle which is the agreeable point which is desired.

It doesnt help when certain people have pictures of the Annan Plan as a DOG FART does it, I mean any sort of negotiations are just chucked out the window.
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Postby Alexis » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:27 pm

The Turkish army will not leave until we agree a comprehensive solution, they act as a deterent so that GCs do not do anything stupid like start to attack TCs or a war. Can you imagine it if their was no Turkish army GC would have free range to do what they want the balance of power would be just as Piratis wants it. If you really want a solution you have to negotiate their removal.


What you say here makes some sense. I actually agree that it is essential to negotiate to resolve the situation. The same argument goes with regards GC embargoes on the TRNC. The Embargoes act as a deterrent to prevent you simply walking away from the situation and saying 'we've got our own state, as far as we're concerned the problem is solved'.
Remember what Turkey's official stance (until very recently) on the Cyprus Problem was:
'The Cyprus Problem was solved in 1974'.
I think that most reasonable TCs realise that this is simply not the case.
What needs to be understood by the TC side is that the problem is not over and those embargoes are not going to be dropped just like that. Think about why despite the recent poor relations between the UK/US and the RoC and the relatively good relations between them and TRNC, the embargoes still exist. I'm not saying any of this to rub salt in the wound, the embargoes on the TCs are not a nice thing at all, but then neither is the presense of the Turkish Army and the continual rubbing of GC faces in the mud with regards their property in northern Cyprus (not to mention the fact you have de facto control over a disprportionate part of the island). The two things counteract and unfortunately are used by both sides to capture the moral high ground with the international community.
Our leaders need to grow up and at least try and understand the other side's viewpoint. Taking pot-shots at each other will simply prolong the stalemate.
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Postby growuptcs » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:27 pm

Perastikos, Where are you from by the way? Can't be Cyprus.
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Postby Perastikos » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:36 pm

Perastikos, Where are you from by the way? Can't be Cyprus.


I'm a Platonist.

Like Socrates say:

I'm not from Greece I’m not from Athens I’m just a citizen of the world.
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Postby growuptcs » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:57 pm

ok
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Postby Alexis » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:46 pm

Apologies again, double posting
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:32 am

Let me get this straight Turkey is doing "offering" to meet something it is obligated to do and in exchange the UN imposed embargo for ethnically cleansing Occupied Cyprus of all ethnic Greek, Armenian and Maronites is to be lifted without their return.

katevastai to panteloni sas.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:29 am

Lala, it is indeed very sad for you that the only way you can argue is by diverting from the subject and saying lies.

One tells you: The "trnc" is illegal. And you reply: "Another common lie, go and read the International Law treaty about Cyprus, clearly it states Turkey is a Legal Guaranteur to protect her people on Cyprus, so its fully Legal to interwine if Turks are being massacred by EOKA Terrorists Greek Junta."

Even if what you said is true, one thing is to have the legal right to intervene to protect the constitution of Cyprus, and another thing is to occupy part of the sovereign Republic of Cyprus and create a pseudo state.

the you continue with some lies without even a sign of truth such as:

We had 35% of the BEST, RICHEST LAND IN CYPRUS 1960


Or accusing me for things I never said:

Tell that to Pirastis, to him were sub-human Barbarians


Overall you are just lying as much as you can and nothing more than that.
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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:56 pm

"Another common lie, go and read the International Law treaty about Cyprus, clearly it states Turkey is a Legal Guaranteur to protect her people on Cyprus, so its fully Legal to interwine if Turks are being massacred by EOKA Terrorists Greek Junta."

Pirastis
Even if what you said is true


:roll:

This is the reason why the Turkish Millitary intervined.

They have a right to stay and protect untill, Greek officials in South Cyprus can meet at the negotiating table and discuss a fair way to run Cyprus in which Turkish Cypriot villagers wont have to fear more Greek Junta's and quest's for Enosis.

Legal protectors dont just come and leave so the same thing can happen again, a genuine negotiation has to happen, your in the way's of the negotiations.
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